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Jacob Collier on how music impacts us

@jacobcollier is a Grammy-winning musician, an exceptional teacher and communicator, and a rousing innovator onstage. Jacob joins Adam in front of a live audience at TED to give an interactive performance and share his perspective on audience participation, his insights on communication, and his unconventional approach to making music that defies genre. They also discuss Jacob’s strategy for dealing with hecklers, his “harmonically irresponsible” covers of popular songs, and the innate human desire to wiggle. Host & Guest Host: Adam Grant (Instagram: @adamgrant | LinkedIn: @adammgrant | Website: https://adamgrant.net/) Guest: Jacob Collier (Instagram: @jacobcollier | YouTube: @JacobCollier | Website: https://www.jacobcollier.com/) Join us in person at a TED conference: https://tedtalks.social/events Become a TED Member to support our mission: https://ted.com/membership Subscribe to a TED newsletter: https://ted.com/newsletters Follow TED! X: https://www.twitter.com/TEDTalks Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/ted Facebook: https://facebook.com/TED LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/ted-conferences TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@tedtoks Podcasts: https://www.ted.com/podcasts The TED Audio Collective is a collection of podcasts for the curious. The TED Audio Collective videos may be used for non-commercial purposes under a Creative Commons License, Attribution–Non Commercial–No Derivatives (or the CC BY – NC – ND 4.0 International) and in accordance with our TED Talks Usage Policy (https://www.ted.com/about/our-organiz...). For more information on using TED for commercial purposes (e.g. employee learning, in a film or online course), please submit a Media Request at https://media-requests.ted.com.

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  1. 0:000:05

    Augmented triad: the “eyes widening” harmonic effect

    1. JC

      This sound [piano arpeggio] is, is the fairy, right?

    2. SP

      [laughs]

  2. 0:050:41

    Diminished chord: shrinking harmony into unease

    1. JC

      Ooh. Wow. You know. [piano arpeggio] Everyone knows the feeling. This is kind of built out what, of what we call an, an augmented triad. Augmented means it's got bigger, right? So this is a usual triad. [piano triad] And if I augment that triad, [piano triad] I'm stretching the top note up, and it's like mm. So I th... It's almost like the eyes widening thing is really happening. You've gone [piano arpeggio] right? Yeah. Wow, right? A diminished chord is what happens when you shrink a triad. Triad is a three-note chord. One, two, three. Diminished chord is this sound. [piano triad] So, you know. It's literally, in my mind it's like [piano diminished chord] .

    2. SP

      [laughs]

  3. 0:410:45

    Intervals underneath: naming the dissonant building blocks

    1. JC

      You know? It's, it's, that's kind of what's going on. And it's all built out of these basic intervals. Like-

  4. 0:451:51

    Dissonance isn’t “bad”: it can be devastatingly beautiful

    1. SP

      Mm

    2. JC

      ... if I play this inter- this interval [piano diminished second] right? This is what we call a diminished second, if you, if you want to give it a name. [piano diminished second] And this is a little bit less friendly. It's like oh, you know what I mean? [piano diminished second] It's like, uh, this is what we call dissonance, right? And so you might say, "Well, that just sounds bad, and the other one sounds good," but the truth is, this [piano diminished second] can be absolutely beautiful to the point of devastating. [piano music] There it is. [piano music] That uhhh. [piano diminished second] Right? If you control the dissonance, you have way more meaningful harmony than if you just play consonant stuff all the time. Baked into music and the study of it is so many of the things that make us better people. But one of them is about not being afraid of dissonance. And actually, in music, if we lean into the dissonance and learn to control it, we have this huge, broad palette that's so much more meaningful than

  5. 1:512:18

    Tension and release: why music moves us

    1. JC

      if we just take the pretty intervals and whatever. A lot of the reason why music moves us is because of all these little tensions and releases that we experience across the, the, the, the kind of path of a, of a musical piece. And it's controlled by all these things like dissonance and consonance and rhythm and time and repetition and... But all these things exist in speech naturally, in a sense, and they exist in our culture, and they exist ob- ob- observationally in the world. So again, it's like no... It's, it's, it's no surprise that music has such an impact on us.

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