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Simon SinekSupercommunicators with journalist Charles Duhigg | A Bit of Optimism Podcast
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WHAT IT’S REALLY ABOUT
Charles Duhigg on Learning to Become a Supercommunicator
- Duhigg says nobody is born a great communicator and no personality type predicts it, so supercommunication is entirely learned, as shown by Steve Jobs and Ronald Reagan, whom both men describe as poor early on.
- He describes good communication as a biological connection in which heart rates, breathing, pupils and brain activity begin to align, and he says people can detect inauthenticity with striking accuracy.
- Using the story of CIA recruiter Jim Lawler, he illustrates the matching principle: Lawler connected with a reluctant source only when he stopped trying to cheer her up and honestly shared his own disappointment.
- Duhigg says every discussion mixes practical, emotional and social conversations, and that labeling which one you're in, or asking someone what they need, prevents missed connections like those he had with his wife.
- In the closing stretch, Duhigg and Sinek discuss writing for joy rather than winning or acclaim, and how reminders and humility help people stay true to what they love.
IDEAS WORTH REMEMBERING
5 ideasCommunication skill is learned, not innate
Duhigg says the evidence is clear that nobody is born a supercommunicator and no personality type is more likely to be one. He notes that Jobs and Reagan improved by reflecting on what went wrong.
Good communication creates biological alignment
Duhigg says that during real connection, pupil dilation, heart rate, breathing, skin impulses and brain activity begin to mirror each other. The goal of communication is for the other person to experience what you describe.
Match people where they are
Lawler's recruiting breakthrough came when he stopped trying to cheer up a scared, disappointed source and shared his own disappointment honestly. Duhigg says this is known as the matching principle.
Identify which of three conversations you're having
Duhigg says discussions mix practical, emotional and social conversations. He used to get upset when his wife offered practical advice during an emotional conversation, so now he asks what kind of conversation it is, or asks whether someone wants a fix or just a listener.
Deep questions deepen connection
Duhigg says he now asks more questions about people's values, beliefs and experiences, often starting with why. He pairs this with listening more closely.
WORDS WORTH SAVING
5 quotesNobody is born as a great communicator. Nobody's born as a supercommunicator. There is no personality type that is more likely to be a supercommunicator. It's literally all just learned skills.
— Charles Duhigg
Communication is humans' superpower. That is why we have succeeded as a species. It allows us to form families and societies.
— Charles Duhigg
We think of a discussion as being about one thing, but actually every discussion is made up of multiple conversations, and most of them fall into one of three buckets.
— Charles Duhigg
Our best moments are moments when we have a hard conversation with someone whom it is hard to have that conversation with.
— Charles Duhigg
I never wanna be perceived as the expert. I wanna be perceived as the guide.
— Simon Sinek
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SPEAKERS
Author and speaker on leadership and communication, known for Start With Why and host of A Bit of Optimism.
Charles Duhigg
guestJournalist and author (The New York Times, The New Yorker), Pulitzer Prize winner and author of Supercommunicators.
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