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Simon SinekThe Anxious Generation with social psychologist Jonathan Haidt | A Bit of Optimism Podcast
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WHAT IT’S REALLY ABOUT
Haidt Explains How Smartphones Rewired Childhood and Strained Democracy
- Haidt argues that social media, reconfigured between 2009 and 2012 with Like and share buttons and algorithms, rewards performing for an audience rather than seeking truth, which fuels polarization.
- He says a great rewiring of childhood occurred between 2010 and 2015, when smartphones and social media arrived at the start of puberty for Gen Z and displaced in-person time with friends.
- Haidt frames the problem as a collective action problem and proposes four norms: no smartphone before high school, no social media before 16, phone-free schools, and more independence and free play.
- He is hopeful about solving the kids' issue because it is bipartisan and parents, teachers and Gen Z are already fed up, but pessimistic about democracy while social media and Congress stay as they are.
- Both men connect the themes through the restoration of humanity, noting that children and politicians alike have lost the face-to-face interaction that builds trust, civility and confidence.
IDEAS WORTH REMEMBERING
5 ideasSocial media turns conversation into performance for an audience.
Haidt compares it to debating in a Roman Colosseum filled with spectators who want blood, so the incentive is to savage the other side rather than find truth or persuade.
Individually quitting is hard because of collective action problems.
Haidt says his students and parents feel they would be worse off if they alone opted out, but if even a quarter of parents act together, kids are no longer the only ones excluded.
Gen Z differs from Millennials mainly in when they got smartphones.
Haidt says Millennials went through puberty with flip phones and got social media in college, while Gen Z got smartphones and social media at the start of puberty, and mental health declined from about 2012.
Haidt proposes four low-cost, bipartisan norms.
They are no smartphone before high school, no social media before 16, phone-free schools, and more independence, free play and responsibility; he predicts norms will shift by the end of 2025.
Digital technology strengthens authoritarian states while straining democracy.
Haidt cites Tristan Harris's argument that technology helps authoritarian countries, and says Madison's system of insulated representatives is overwhelmed when politicians chase instant feedback on Twitter.
WORDS WORTH SAVING
5 quotesSo what I'm arguing in, in The Anxious Generation is that between 2010 and 2015 was the great rewiring of childhood, where kids were no longer, uh, looking at each other or spending time with each other because they had this incredible distraction device
— Jonathan Haidt
the way to understand what's happened to us is that these tech companies have put us into what social scientists call a collective action problem
— Jonathan Haidt
you don't wanna build up a child's self-esteem. That's a really bad thing to do. Um, what you want to do is build up a child's capabilities, so the child then does things. And if the child achieves things, then they will have a good opinion of themself.
— Jonathan Haidt
social animals can only cure social problems socially.
— Simon Sinek
It's even simpler. People are ready to act. They just don't know what to do.
— Jonathan Haidt
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Author and leadership speaker, host of the A Bit of Optimism podcast.
Jonathan Haidt
guestSocial psychologist and NYU professor, author of The Anxious Generation.
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