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What Confident People Focus on Instead of Winning | Ballerina Isabella McGuire Mayes

Be honest: the high of a big win never lasts as long as you’d like. You nail the presentation, land the promotion, post something that takes off… and a week later, you’re already chasing the next one.

Isabella McGuire MayesguestSimon SinekhostGreat Minds

Nov 10, 202651mWatch on YouTube

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A 12-year-old’s fear of “failing” online exposes outcome obsession
Isabella describes a young Instagram-famous dancer who didn’t win a competition and begged her mother not to post it because followers might see her “fail.” Simon responds that this mindset shows how chasing outcomes can replace valuing improvement and process.
- •Isabella recounts a 12-year-old competitor equating not winning with failure
- •The child’s focus is on what followers will think, not what she learned
- •Simon frames the issue as outcome obsession crowding out process and improvement
Why this conversation is about confidence built through process
Simon outlines the central idea: winning can create short-lived confidence spikes, but the feeling fades and demands another “hit.” He introduces Isabella as someone whose world requires embracing imperfection and learning to value process over outcomes.
- •Simon describes confidence from wins as temporary and dopamine-driven
- •He argues chasing wins can actually undermine confidence over time
- •He positions process as the path to durable confidence
- •He sets up Isabella’s background and why ballet is a useful lens
From hating ballet to committing to hard coaching and elite training
Isabella shares how she initially resisted ballet as a toddler, then encountered a demanding Russian coach at nine that changed her relationship with hard work. She describes her path through performing arts schooling, repeated attempts to enter the Royal Ballet School, and a growing obsession with Russian ballet and Vaganova.
- •Isabella recalls protesting ballet early on and “screaming under the piano”
- •A Russian coach’s intense lesson terrified her—and then motivated her
- •She persisted through rejection before being accepted to the Royal Ballet School
- •Her fascination with Russian ballet and Vaganova grew through constant study
What makes Vaganova legendary—and how she earned a place there
Isabella explains why Vaganova carries historic significance and is known for producing “legends.” She describes auditioning three times, being told foreigners couldn’t handle the training, and insisting until she was accepted at 15 and stayed four years.
- •Vaganova is portrayed as a storied institution tied to major ballet history
- •Isabella describes feeling physically “out of the ordinary” in the UK and resonating with Russian dancers
- •She details repeated auditions and skepticism about foreigners’ durability
- •She emphasizes the rarity and significance of being admitted at 15
Life inside the academy: total immersion, language barriers, and learning by observation
Isabella describes the practical reality of training: relentless daily work and, for her as a foreign student, Russian language challenges. She explains how careful watching and analysis helped her succeed and later shaped her ability to teach clearly.
- •Isabella explains choosing to focus fully on ballet rather than intense parallel academics
- •Foreign students navigated Russian language instruction and constant training
- •She learned by observing teachers demonstrate wrong versus right
- •She was sometimes praised for applying corrections despite not speaking Russian
Ballet as extreme athletics—and art that must look effortless
Simon and Isabella emphasize the physical intensity of ballet and how it differs from sport because effort must be hidden. Isabella adds that Russian training also demands artistic depth, turning technique into something expressive rather than merely technical.
- •Simon characterizes ballet as an intense athletic pursuit with constant muscular engagement
- •They contrast sports’ visible exertion with ballet’s requirement to appear effortless
- •Isabella describes backstage exhaustion and the hidden toll of performance
- •She argues ballet aims to make audiences feel something, not just hit technical targets
Professional life in Russia and why the culture is hard to leave
Isabella describes dancing for two Russian companies and the broader cultural passion for ballet in Russia. She contrasts it with the West’s more elite, elitist framing and explains why she feels compelled to share what she experienced.
- •Isabella notes ballet’s mainstream cultural status in Russia
- •Simon contrasts Western ballet as an elite/elitist art form
- •Isabella describes the environment as uniquely passionate and validating
- •She explains this experience fuels her desire to teach and share publicly
Insecurity baked into ballet—and the injuries that ended her return to Russia
Simon outlines how ballet can breed insecurity through constant comparison, pressure, and limited fallback options. Isabella explains how serious injuries, a difficult company environment, and another injury ultimately led her to come home and not return.
- •Simon describes mirrored training, body comparison, and pressure as insecurity drivers
- •Isabella recounts major injuries and the isolation of rehab
- •She describes a depressing, isolating company environment after returning
- •An aggressive partnering incident led to an injury and her decision to leave
Passion versus addiction: rebuilding purpose and finding fulfillment in teaching
After returning to the UK, Isabella describes depression, the struggle of freelancing, and questioning her future. She distinguishes ballet as a “passion” rooted in a deep internal drive and explains how helping younger dancers became a new, fulfilling path.
- •Isabella describes a difficult transition to freelance work and part-time jobs in London
- •She considered other careers but felt ballet was part of her core
- •She defines passion as a “soul connection,” not a compulsive addiction
- •Teaching emerged as a way to help others and reshape ballet culture
Coaching, not commanding: her teaching philosophy and handling criticism
Isabella explains she kept the honesty of her Russian training but reshaped it into encouragement and teamwork. She shares an example of harsh criticism at Vaganova and explains how separating self from feedback helped her—and how she now helps students receive critique without fear.
- •Isabella describes balancing blunt honesty with humor from her best teachers
- •She tells a story illustrating how harsh feedback could be normalized at the academy
- •She explains separating culture and intent helped her not take it personally
- •She frames the teacher-student relationship as teammates, like a coach and athlete
Teaching the “how,” not just the “result”—and what leaders get wrong
Using a pirouette as an example, Isabella contrasts vague praise or moving on too quickly with slowing down to explain mechanics and mental cues. Simon connects this to workplaces where leaders point to goals without teaching the steps, which can erode confidence over time.
- •Isabella contrasts soft, outcome-focused feedback with detailed, technique-based coaching
- •She emphasizes spending time to explain what to think about and which mechanics to use
- •She argues understanding the “how” improves consistency and independence
- •Simon parallels this with business: pointing at goals without coaching the path chips away confidence
No-stakes experimentation: fear, social media, and the “Ballet Lab”
Simon describes how constant filming and online permanence reduce young people’s willingness to take risks and look imperfect. Isabella explains she removes prizes and scholarships from her intensives to create a laboratory-like environment where mistakes are expected and learning is the point.
- •Simon links social media to reduced risk tolerance and fear of humiliation
- •Isabella critiques how even “fun” programs can become prize-driven
- •She intentionally removes external stakes to prioritize learning and confidence
- •Her “ballet lab” concept is designed for experimentation, mistakes, and support
Confidence from process, not winning: fundamentals versus performance-only training
They return to the Instagram-competition example and broaden it into a critique of validation-driven training. Isabella argues that focusing on being better than others undermines artistry and fundamentals; Simon articulates how process creates steadier confidence rather than peaks and valleys from wins.
- •Isabella warns social validation can distort what students think matters in ballet
- •She argues outcome obsession can leave major foundational gaps despite flashy skills
- •They discuss balancing process and performance and the danger of neglecting fundamentals
- •Simon explains process-based confidence creates a higher baseline even after losses
A student’s breakthrough: confidence enables learning and resilience
Isabella recounts an intensive where a returning student carried visible self-criticism and pressure after training in an intense environment. A brief, affirming intervention helped the student trust herself, accept feedback as useful, and ultimately describe finally understanding “inspiration.”
- •Isabella describes noticing a student’s negative self-talk after mistakes
- •She connects the student’s struggle to injury recovery and institutional pressure
- •A confidence-building moment changed how the student received feedback and handled errors
- •The student began laughing off mistakes, trying again, and reframing growth as the goal
When teachers project insecurity—and why coaching should be normal
Isabella describes how institutional pressure can cause teachers to project insecurity and make students fearful, sometimes prioritizing a school’s reputation over a child’s development. Simon connects her process-first approach to a sports-coaching philosophy centered on improving people rather than obsessing over wins, and both argue this supportive leadership should be standard, not exceptional.
- •Isabella explains how teachers under pressure may become toxic and punitive
- •She criticizes making student outcomes about teacher or school reputation
- •Simon draws a parallel to a process-first coaching philosophy: train to improve, then play/perform
- •They agree good coaching/leadership should be normal, and Isabella hopes generational change will shift culture

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