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Chris Dixon and Naval Ravikant — The Wonders of Web3, How to Pick the Right Hill to Climb, Finding the Right Amount of Crypto Regulation, Friends with Benefits, and the Untapped Potential of NFTs | Brought to you by UCAN (http://ucan.co/tim), Theragun (http://therabody.com/tim), Tonal (http://tonal.com/). Show Notes: https://tim.blog/2021/10/28/chris-dixon-naval-ravikant/#more-58124 Chris Dixon (@cdixon) is a general partner at Andreessen Horowitz, where for the past six years he has been an active seed and venture-stage investor. Previously, Chris co-founded and served as the CEO of two startups, SiteAdvisor and Hunch. SiteAdvisor was an internet security company that warned web users of security threats. The company was acquired by McAfee in 2006. Hunch was a recommendation technology company that was acquired by eBay in 2011. Chris has been a prolific seed investor, co-founding Founder Collective, a seed venture fund, and making a number of personal angel investments in various technology companies. Chris started programming as a kid and was a professional programmer after college at the high-speed options trading firm Arbitrade. He has a BA and MA in philosophy from Columbia and an MBA from Harvard. He has written about his theories and experiences as an entrepreneur and investor on Medium and before that at cdixon.org. His a16z Podcast appearances can be found here. Naval Ravikant (@naval) is the co-founder and chairman of AngelList. He is an angel investor and has invested in more than 100 companies, including many mega-successes, such as Twitter, Uber, Notion, Opendoor, Postmates, and Wish. You can subscribe to Naval, his podcast on wealth and happiness, on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, Overcast, or wherever you get your podcasts. You can also find his blog at nav.al. For more Naval-plus-Tim, check out my wildly popular interview with him from 2015—which was nominated for “Podcast of the Year”—at tim.blog/naval. We also had a second long-form conversation in 2020, and you can find that here. His most recent appearance was helping me interview Ethereum creator Vitalik Buterin. Please enjoy! 00:00 Start 07:44 What smart people do 17:02 Evolution of Bitcoin. 20:20 What are Web1, Web2, and Web3? 27:01 The real promise of Web3. 41:53 What gives digital assets value? 50:07 How Web3 rewards creatives 01:07:35 Gall’s Law and the future of gaming. 01:08:47 Web 3 deep dive 01:22:38 Computer science and hill climbing 01:26:41 Decentralization still in its early days. 01:32:40 Cryptocurrencies and politics 01:47:08 Streamlining philanthropy 01:55:04 Most gifted books. 02:00:09 DAOs 02:03:54 A disclaimer: not financial advice! 02:07:57 NFTs deep dive 02:19:21 Don’t get NFTs? Consider the sneaker. 02:22:11 Friends with Benefits and other DAOs. SUBSCRIBE: http://bit.ly/1dSzTkW LINK TO ALL SHOW TRANSCRIPTS: https://tim.blog/2018/09/20/all-transcripts-from-the-tim-ferriss-show/ About Tim Ferriss: Tim Ferriss is one of Fast Company’s “Most Innovative Business People” and an early-stage tech investor/advisor in Uber, Facebook, Twitter, Shopify, Duolingo, Alibaba, and 50+ other companies. He is also the author of five #1 New York Times and Wall Street Journal bestsellers: The 4-Hour Workweek, The 4-Hour Body, The 4-Hour Chef, Tools of Titans and Tribe of Mentors. The Observer and other media have named him “the Oprah of audio” due to the influence of his podcast, The Tim Ferriss Show, which has exceeded 500 million downloads and been selected for “Best of Apple Podcasts” three years running. Connect with Tim Ferriss: Sign up for "5-Bullet Friday" (Tim's free weekly email newsletter): https://go.tim.blog/5-bullet-friday-yt/ Visit the Tim Ferriss PODCAST: https://tim.blog/podcast/ Visit the Tim Ferriss BLOG: https://tim.blog/ Follow Tim Ferriss on TWITTER: https://twitter.com/tferriss/ Follow Tim Ferriss on INSTAGRAM: https://www.instagram.com/timferriss/ Like Tim Ferriss on FACEBOOK: https://www.facebook.com/TimFerriss/

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Oct 30, 20212h 32mWatch on YouTube ↗

At a glance

WHAT IT’S REALLY ABOUT

Web3, tokens, NFTs, and DAOs: user-owned internet’s promise and risks

  1. Chris Dixon traces the evolution from Web1’s open protocols to Web2’s convenience-driven centralization and defines Web3 as an internet owned by users and builders through tokens.
  2. Naval Ravikant argues private keys create digital private property, enabling user-owned data, open code, and contributor-owned platforms that can be recombined rapidly through composability.
  3. The conversation presents NFTs as programmable, scarce digital objects whose value can derive from provenance, utility (especially in games), and community-enforced rights and access rather than from the underlying media file alone.
  4. Chris Dixon and Tim Ferriss describe how Web3 mechanisms can improve creator monetization through direct patronage and automatic secondary royalties, and Ferriss suggests similar mechanics could fund philanthropy sustainably.
  5. They also highlight challenges—security, usability, privacy, messaging, and regulation—and warn against treating the discussion as financial advice or assuming early hype projects will endure.

IDEAS WORTH REMEMBERING

5 ideas

Web1’s openness enabled builder ownership; Web2 centralized power by winning on convenience.

Chris Dixon frames Web1 as built on open protocols (e.g., HTTP/SMTP) where builders trusted they could own what they built, while Web2 shifted many key services into closed platforms that won largely on ease-of-use and distribution, culminating in a handful of companies controlling major parts of the internet.

Web3’s core promise is user/builder ownership via tokens rather than platform rent-seeking.

Chris Dixon defines Web3 as “an internet owned by users and builders orchestrated with tokens,” arguing tokens let value and control accrue to participants rather than a centralized company, and that this changes both incentives and growth dynamics because stakeholders market and build around what they own.

Private keys enable digital property rights and shift power from corporations to participants.

Naval Ravikant emphasizes that private keys make “digital private property” possible, enabling digital scarcity and ownership without relying on corporate databases and lawyers, and he describes Web3 as flipping the old model from closed code/corporate-owned platforms/user-owned-by-platform data to open code/contributor-owned platforms/user-owned data.

Composability is a force multiplier: once built, primitives can be reused everywhere.

Naval Ravikant and Chris Dixon describe composability as “Lego blocks” for software (and even media), where open code and on-chain primitives can be reused and recombined permissionlessly; they argue this makes innovation faster and more nonlinear than Web2’s API-limited, siloed ecosystems.

NFT value can come from authenticity, utility, and community-enforced ‘social contracts,’ not the image file.

Tim Ferriss, Naval Ravikant, and Chris Dixon argue NFTs are more than ‘JPEGs’: provenance/authenticity, in-game utility, and ‘social contracts’ (access/rights/future benefits) can create value that copying an image does not replicate; they also describe NFTs as programmable objects tied to communities and culture.

WORDS WORTH SAVING

5 quotes

Digital private keys enable digital private property.

— Naval Ravikant

Web3 is an internet owned by users and builders orchestrated with tokens.

— Chris Dixon

I read about the Byzantine Generals problem and the solution to that, and I realized, wow, you can now organize people without rulers.

— Naval Ravikant

Open code, contributors own the platform, and users own their data.

— Naval Ravikant

Any regulator that stops the next generation of artists and musicians and gamers and game developers from owning their platforms and their work is gonna go into the wastebasket of history as a villain.

— Naval Ravikant

Web1 vs Web2 vs Web3 framingTokens and user/builder ownershipPrivate keys and digital private propertyComposability (“Lego blocks”)NFTs: provenance, utility, social contractsWeb3 creator monetization and patronageGaming economies, DAOs, and guild models

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