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Dr. Peter Attia, MD — Fasting, Metformin, Athletic Performance, and More | The Tim Ferriss Show

Dr. Peter Attia (peterattiamd.com, TW: @PeterAttiaMD, IG: @peterattiamd, FB: @peterattiamd) is a former ultra-endurance athlete (e.g., swimming races of 25 miles), a compulsive self-experimenter, and one of the most fascinating human beings I know. He is one of my go-to doctors for anything performance- or longevity-related. He is also easily the best quarterback and sherpa for the US medical system I’ve ever met. But here is his official bio to do him justice: Peter is the founder of Attia Medical, PC, a medical practice with offices in San Diego and New York City, focusing on the applied science of longevity. The practice applies nutritional biochemistry, exercise physiology, sleep physiology, techniques to increase distress tolerance, lipidology, pharmacology, and four-system endocrinology to increase lifespan (delaying the onset of chronic disease), while simultaneously improving healthspan (quality of life). Peter trained for five years at the Johns Hopkins Hospital in general surgery, where he was the recipient of several prestigious awards, including resident of the year, and the author of a comprehensive review of general surgery. He also spent two years at NIH as a surgical oncology fellow at the National Cancer Institute where his research focused on immune-based therapies for melanoma. He has since been mentored by some of the most experienced and innovative lipidologists, endocrinologists, gynecologists, sleep physiologists, and longevity scientists in the United States and Canada. Peter earned his M.D. from Stanford University and holds a B.Sc. in mechanical engineering and applied mathematics. Peter also hosts The Drive, a weekly, ultra-deep-dive podcast focusing on maximizing health, longevity, critical thinking, and a few other things. Topics include fasting, ketosis, Alzheimer’s disease, cancer, mental health, and much more. Subscribe on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, Overcast, or wherever you listen to podcasts. Please enjoy! SUBSCRIBE: http://bit.ly/1dSzTkW About Tim Ferriss: Tim Ferriss is one of Fast Company’s “Most Innovative Business People” and an early-stage tech investor/advisor in Uber, Facebook, Twitter, Shopify, Duolingo, Alibaba, and 50+ other companies. He is also the author of five #1 New York Times and Wall Street Journal bestsellers: The 4-Hour Workweek, The 4-Hour Body, The 4-Hour Chef, Tools of Titans and Tribe of Mentors. The Observer and other media have named him “the Oprah of audio” due to the influence of his podcast, The Tim Ferriss Show, which has exceeded 400 million downloads and been selected for “Best of iTunes” three years running. Connect with Tim Ferriss: Sign up for "5-Bullet Friday" (Tim's email newsletter): https://go.tim.blog/5-bullet-friday-1/ Visit the Tim Ferriss PODCAST: https://tim.blog/podcast/ Visit the Tim Ferriss BLOG: https://tim.blog/ Follow Tim Ferriss on TWITTER: https://twitter.com/tferriss/ Follow Tim Ferriss on INSTAGRAM: https://www.instagram.com/timferriss/ Like Tim Ferriss on FACEBOOK: https://www.facebook.com/TimFerriss/ Start [00:00] The Centenarian Olympics. [09:00] The goblet squat. [18:12] Training with dynamic neuromuscular stabilization (DNS) to correct weightlifting quirks. [21:40] Control your intra-abdominal pressure [25:25] Something Peter has changed his mind about: Metformin for enhancing longevity. [27:30] Mitochondria and metabolism [31:22] The power of fasting, exercise, and sleep. [34:51] What is egg boxing? [37:54] More on fasting. [42:28] Peter’s fasting regimen, diet, and supplement intake. [49:42] The fate of one’s personality may not actually be set. [54:06] On tearing phone books in half. [1:00:44] Archery hunting and eating only food he’s killed. [1:07:35] Peter's gear. [1:16:31] Back tension in archery. [1:17:43] On not behaving badly around our children. [1:21:18] Managing his own relationship with anger. [1:26:47] Characteristics of a trustworthy therapist. [1:37:00] The game Forks and Knives. [1:42:26] Peter’s thoughts on The World Anti-Doping Agency. [1:46:04] Racing cars. [1:51:02] The benefits of exercise are much greater than he ever envisioned. [1:55:53] Sleep. [2:00:35] The What If? game. [2:10:37] The "How Much Would I Have to Pay You To…” game. [2:14:39] On hosting our own podcasts plus advice to new podcasters. [2:19:51] Parting thoughts. [2:36:53]

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Dec 5, 20192h 47mWatch on YouTube ↗

At a glance

WHAT IT’S REALLY ABOUT

Attia’s five things: centenarian training, fasting dose, metformin doubts

  1. Dr. Peter Attia describes the “Centenarian Olympics,” a personalized set of late-life functional goals used to reverse-engineer training priorities across decades.
  2. He explains why he changed his stance on metformin for very healthy people, arguing it impaired his zone two performance and may blunt beneficial adaptation.
  3. He frames fasting as highly promising but under-researched in terms of dosing, and proposes funding animal-model studies to compare regimens using mortality and biomarker outcomes.
  4. He shares personal belief updates on anger and personality change, crediting meditation and therapy for building a pause between stimulus and response and for expanding emotional vocabulary.
  5. He discusses pursuits like archery, hunting, and race-car driving as both skill crafts and “audits” that reinforce emotional regulation and attention under pressure.

IDEAS WORTH REMEMBERING

5 ideas

Train for the “Centenarian Olympics,” not just general fitness.

He described noticing that many people lose physical capability (e.g., golf, gardening, getting up off the floor) long before death, and he wants training to target late-life function rather than vague “fitness.” He outlined personal “events” such as a 30-pound goblet squat, stairs with groceries, and getting out of a pool, then reverse-engineering what to train at 70/60/50.

He backed off metformin for healthy individuals due to performance and adaptation concerns.

He said he used to be bullish on metformin as a low-risk longevity and cancer-mitigating drug even for healthy people, but changed after seeing it reduce his zone two output. He framed metformin as a mild mitochondrial toxin that may be beneficial in diabetes yet potentially detrimental or less helpful the healthier and more exercise-trained someone is.

Fasting may be powerful, but “how much and how often” is still an open question.

He argued fasting is a potent tool but the field lacks clear “dosing” guidance (e.g., 7 days per quarter vs. 3 days per month), and he’s frustrated there isn’t better evidence. He wants a philanthropically funded animal study to compare regimens and measure hard outcomes like mortality alongside biomarkers.

His fasting routine is structured around keto bookends and quarterly water fasts.

He described a quarterly protocol: a week of ad libitum keto, followed by a week of water-only fasting, followed by another week of keto, partly to ease the fast and prevent post-fast overeating. He also mentioned considering switching to a “three days a month” approach for practicality.

He no longer views personality (including anger) as destiny.

He said he once believed personality traits like his anger were essentially fixed, but now believes meaningful change is possible with sustained work. He credited practices such as meditation for creating a “gap” between stimulus and response, learning emotional vocabulary through therapy, and using reframing to recognize what anger is protecting.

WORDS WORTH SAVING

5 quotes

Why aren't we training to be kickass 90-year-olds?

— Dr. Peter Attia

Before they actually die their physical death, you know, the sort of what I call death certificate death, they tend to die some combination of a cognitive and physical, as in exoskeleton death.

— Dr. Peter Attia

Metformin is a mild mitochondrial toxin, and this becomes relevant to the story.

— Dr. Peter Attia

I now realize that that entire narrative is simply incorrect.

— Dr. Peter Attia

If fasting is such a potent tool, and I don't think anybody who's studied nutrition or biochemistry would disagree with that, it's sort of odd we don't know how to dose the tool.

— Dr. Peter Attia

Centenarian Olympics and functional aging goalsStability, strength, aerobic and anaerobic trainingMetformin, mitochondria, and zone two performanceFasting protocols and “dose” uncertaintyMeditation and therapy for anger reductionArchery, hunting, and relationship to foodSleep hygiene: light, temperature, alcohol effects

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