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Ed Thorp on How to Think for Yourself, How to Be Inner-Directed, and The Dangers of Investing Fads

Master Investor Ed Thorp on How to Think for Yourself, Mental Models for the Second Half of Life, How to Be Inner-Directed, How Basic Numeracy Is a Superpower, and The Dangers of Investing Fads | Brought to you by Wealthfront automated investing (http://wealthfront.com/tim), Vuori comfortable and durable performance apparel (https://vuoriclothing.com/tim), and Eight Sleep’s Pod Pro Cover sleeping solution for dynamic cooling and heating (http://eightsleep.com/Tim). More on all three below. Edward O. Thorp is the author of the bestseller Beat the Dealer, which transformed the game of blackjack. His subsequent book, Beat the Market, coauthored with Sheen T. Kassouf, influenced securities markets around the globe. He is also the author of A Man for All Markets: From Las Vegas to Wall Street, How I Beat the Dealer and the Market. Edward was one of the world’s best blackjack players and investors, and his hedge funds were profitable every year for 29 years. He lives in Newport Beach, California. Please enjoy! Show notes: https://tim.blog/2022/06/28/edward-o-thorp-2/ 00:00 Start 00:00:15 The value of long-term thinking and the price of short-term thinking 00:01:33 What is a common stock warrant? 00:03:33 Why are people generally poor at taking longer-term (or alternative) perspectives? 00:04:53 Conversing about numeracy and common misunderstandings 00:08:56 How to become more numeracy literate 00:14:42 It’s Raining Man 00:17:03 The Rule of 72 00:21:03 Making the best financial decisions with unknown variables 00:29:14 How to have fun learning about probability and statistics 00:31:05 How to get an edge in hedge fund investing (with book recommendations) 00:40:18 Ed’s methods for losing (or maintaining) weight and looking 60 in spite of being almost 90 years old 00:48:06 Favorite beer 00:49:30 Music as stress reduction 00:50:24 Avoiding unnecessary risks 00:59:41 The age-guessing experiment 01:01:53 Other-directed vs. inner-directed and takeaways from The Lonely Crowd by David Riesman 01:10:44 How an 89-year-old maintains hair growth 01:13:47 Using scrap time 01:16:26 A big change in Ed’s later life that increased its quality 01:19:13 New reflections, future hopes, and parting thoughts About Tim Ferriss: Tim Ferriss is one of Fast Company’s “Most Innovative Business People” and an early-stage tech investor/advisor in Uber, Facebook, Twitter, Shopify, Duolingo, Alibaba, and 50+ other companies. He is also the author of five #1 New York Times and Wall Street Journal bestsellers: The 4-Hour Workweek, The 4-Hour Body, The 4-Hour Chef, Tools of Titans and Tribe of Mentors. The Observer and other media have named him “the Oprah of audio” due to the influence of his podcast, The Tim Ferriss Show, which has exceeded 500 million downloads and been selected for “Best of Apple Podcasts” three years running. Connect with Tim Ferriss: Sign up for "5-Bullet Friday" (Tim's free weekly email newsletter): https://go.tim.blog/5-bullet-friday-yt/ Visit the Tim Ferriss PODCAST: https://tim.blog/podcast/ Visit the Tim Ferriss BLOG: https://tim.blog/ Follow Tim Ferriss on TWITTER: https://twitter.com/tferriss/ Follow Tim Ferriss on INSTAGRAM: https://www.instagram.com/timferriss/ Like Tim Ferriss on FACEBOOK: https://www.facebook.com/TimFerriss/

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Jun 28, 20221h 24mWatch on YouTube ↗

At a glance

WHAT IT’S REALLY ABOUT

Ed Thorp on numeracy, long-term thinking, and resisting investing fads

  1. Ed Thorp explains how mispricings can arise when investors misunderstand time-sensitive securities like common stock warrants and fail to adjust for approaching expiration.
  2. He argues that many people make costly financial choices by fixating on immediate outcomes (like a slightly higher sale price) while ignoring opportunity costs over years.
  3. Ed lays out what numeracy looks like in practice—skepticism about false precision, understanding distributions vs. averages, and basic probability/statistics literacy.
  4. He discusses decision-making under uncertainty in investing, emphasizing the need to tolerate drawdowns and match strategy to one’s ability to wait and not be forced into short-term choices.
  5. Beyond finance, he shares routines for health, stress reduction, and risk avoidance, plus the concepts of being more “inner-directed” rather than guided by fads and social cues.

IDEAS WORTH REMEMBERING

5 ideas

Misunderstanding time and options-like instruments can create market mispricing.

Ed Thorp describes finding mispricing in common stock warrants when they neared expiration because holders didn’t adjust their sense of value as time ran out, which gave him an “edge in the marketplace.” He frames this as a case where better short-term awareness (time remaining) beat the crowd’s muddled thinking.

Opportunity cost can dwarf the ‘extra’ you’re negotiating for.

Using a friend’s real-estate story, Ed argues that holding out for a slightly higher sale price can be extremely costly when it ties up capital and creates large opportunity costs elsewhere. The point isn’t just “be patient,” but to compare alternatives in a decision tree and account for the time value of money.

Short-term, self-involved focus makes people blind to obvious better choices.

Ed attributes many bad decisions to people being overly focused on what’s immediate and emotionally close, making uncomfortable transitions hard even when an outsider can see the better move. He suggests people often see clearly for others but not for themselves.

Being numerate means questioning precision and understanding distributions, not just reading numbers.

Ed says numeracy includes basic statistics, probability, and comfort with numbers—and that many people misread numerical precision (like polls quoted to a decimal) and misunderstand averages versus distributions. His bar example shows how an average can radically shift while telling you almost nothing about typical individuals.

Two foundations of numeracy: basic statistics and mental math for reality-checking.

To build numeracy, Ed recommends learning elementary statistics from practical resources (he mentions Schaum’s Outline of statistics) and practicing mental calculation so you can sanity-check calculator outputs. He highlights the Rule of 72 as a simple way to approximate doubling time under compound growth.

WORDS WORTH SAVING

5 quotes

The average may tell you virtually nothing about the distribution.

— Ed Thorp

Measurement is important because you want facts on which to base what you do instead of, uh, hopes, beliefs, wishes, so on.

— Ed Thorp

It tells you something about the power of compounding and why investing for the long term really pays off.

— Ed Thorp

If everybody's heard about it already, there's historically at least no reason to believe that you have any kind of edge.

— Ed Thorp

I think an important thing for everyone is to think about the world and society as us instead of me— and to try to act that way a- and to think longer term.

— Ed Thorp

Common stock warrants as call-option-like securitiesShort-term vs. long-term thinking and opportunity costNumeracy: polls, precision, averages vs. distributionsLearning statistics (Schaum’s Outline) and mental mathRule of 72 and compounding intuitionHedge funds: structure, taxes, who they suit nowCrowd psychology, fads, and “edge” skepticism (crypto/GameStop)

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