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John Vervaeke — How to Build a Life of Wisdom, Flow, and Contemplation | The Tim Ferriss Show

Brought to you by Wealthfront high-yield savings account http://wealthfront.com/tim, Basecamp refreshingly simple project management http://basecamp.com/tim, and Eight Sleep’s Pod Cover sleeping solution for dynamic cooling and heating http://eightsleep.com/Tim Resources from this episode: https://tim.blog/2023/02/23/john-vervaeke/ John Vervaeke (@vervaeke_john) is a professor of psychology at the University of Toronto. He currently teaches courses on thinking and reasoning with an emphasis on cognitive development, intelligence, rationality, mindfulness, and the psychology of wisdom. Vervaeke is the director of UToronto’s Consciousness and Wisdom Studies Laboratory and its Cognitive Science program, where he teaches Introduction to Cognitive Science and The Cognitive Science of Consciousness, emphasizing the 4E model, which contends that cognition and consciousness are embodied, embedded, enacted, and extended beyond the brain. Vervaeke has taught courses on Buddhism and Cognitive Science in the Buddhism, Psychology, and Mental Health program for 15 years. He is the author and presenter of the YouTube series “Awakening from the Meaning Crisis” and his brand new series, “After Socrates.” Please enjoy! 00:00 Start 02:23 The four ways of knowing (4P). 07:22 Affordances. 09:48 Semantic memory. 10:52 Flow. 25:32 Did John find Tai Chi, or did Tai Chi find him? 28:33 Leaving Christianity. 34:07 Wisdom vs. knowledge. 36:28 Self-deception. 40:20 When is logic the illogical choice for solving a problem? 44:43 The powers and perils of intuition. 54:15 Spotting patterns that need breaking. 58:46 Meditation vs. contemplation. 1:05:00 Misunderstanding love. 1:06:12 Circling. 1:12:21 “God is related to the world the way the mind is related to the body.” 1:14:35 A non-theist in the no-thingness. 1:24:59 Responsive poiesis and Sufism. 1:28:59 Neoplatonism. 1:30:47 Seminal moments. 1:33:28 Pierre Hadot. 1:35:37 Two books. 1:36:43 Potent poetry. 1:39:59 The four Es. 1:45:24 Two bonus Es. 1:48:29 Heretical beliefs. 1:58:09 Panpsychism. 2:05:32 Most unusual modes of cognition. 2:07:20 Jordan Peterson. 2:16:02 Opponent processing. 2:19:38 How to support friends endeavoring to lead meaningful lives. 2:23:49 After Socrates. 2:28:00 Western words. 2:31:41 John’s changing perspective of experienced reality. 2:34:46 Something old, something new. Tim Ferriss is one of Fast Company’s “Most Innovative Business People” and an early-stage tech investor/advisor in Uber, Facebook, Twitter, Shopify, Duolingo, Alibaba, and 50+ other companies. He is also the author of five #1 New York Times and Wall Street Journal bestsellers: The 4-Hour Workweek, The 4-Hour Body, The 4-Hour Chef, Tools of Titans and Tribe of Mentors. The Observer and other media have named him “the Oprah of audio” due to the influence of his podcast, The Tim Ferriss Show, which has exceeded 900 million downloads and been selected for “Best of Apple Podcasts” three years running. Sign up for "5-Bullet Friday" (Tim's free weekly email newsletter): https://go.tim.blog/5-bullet-friday-yt/ Follow the Tim Ferriss Podcast: https://tim.blog/podcast/ Visit the Tim Ferriss Blog: https://tim.blog/ Follow Tim Ferriss on Twitter: https://twitter.com/tferriss/ Follow Tim Ferriss on Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/timferriss/ Like Tim Ferriss on Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/TimFerriss/

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Feb 24, 20232h 39mWatch on YouTube ↗

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Released: February 24, 2023
Duration: 2h 39m
Channel: Tim Ferriss
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EPISODE DESCRIPTION

Brought to you by Wealthfront high-yield savings account http://wealthfront.com/tim, Basecamp refreshingly simple project management http://basecamp.com/tim, and Eight Sleep’s Pod Cover sleeping solution for dynamic cooling and heating http://eightsleep.com/Tim Resources from this episode: https://tim.blog/2023/02/23/john-vervaeke/ John Vervaeke (@vervaeke_john) is a professor of psychology at the University of Toronto. He currently teaches courses on thinking and reasoning with an emphasis on cognitive development, intelligence, rationality, mindfulness, and the psychology of wisdom. Vervaeke is the director of UToronto’s Consciousness and Wisdom Studies Laboratory and its Cognitive Science program, where he teaches Introduction to Cognitive Science and The Cognitive Science of Consciousness, emphasizing the 4E model, which contends that cognition and consciousness are embodied, embedded, enacted, and extended beyond the brain. Vervaeke has taught courses on Buddhism and Cognitive Science in the Buddhism, Psychology, and Mental Health program for 15 years. He is the author and presenter of the YouTube series “Awakening from the Meaning Crisis” and his brand new series, “After Socrates.” Please enjoy! 00:00 Start 02:23 The four ways of knowing (4P). 07:22 Affordances. 09:48 Semantic memory. 10:52 Flow. 25:32 Did John find Tai Chi, or did Tai Chi find him? 28:33 Leaving Christianity. 34:07 Wisdom vs. knowledge. 36:28 Self-deception. 40:20 When is logic the illogical choice for solving a problem? 44:43 The powers and perils of intuition. 54:15 Spotting patterns that need breaking. 58:46 Meditation vs. contemplation. 1:05:00 Misunderstanding love. 1:06:12 Circling. 1:12:21 “God is related to the world the way the mind is related to the body.” 1:14:35 A non-theist in the no-thingness. 1:24:59 Responsive poiesis and Sufism. 1:28:59 Neoplatonism. 1:30:47 Seminal moments. 1:33:28 Pierre Hadot. 1:35:37 Two books. 1:36:43 Potent poetry. 1:39:59 The four Es. 1:45:24 Two bonus Es. 1:48:29 Heretical beliefs. 1:58:09 Panpsychism. 2:05:32 Most unusual modes of cognition. 2:07:20 Jordan Peterson. 2:16:02 Opponent processing. 2:19:38 How to support friends endeavoring to lead meaningful lives. 2:23:49 After Socrates. 2:28:00 Western words. 2:31:41 John’s changing perspective of experienced reality. 2:34:46 Something old, something new. Tim Ferriss is one of Fast Company’s “Most Innovative Business People” and an early-stage tech investor/advisor in Uber, Facebook, Twitter, Shopify, Duolingo, Alibaba, and 50+ other companies. He is also the author of five #1 New York Times and Wall Street Journal bestsellers: The 4-Hour Workweek, The 4-Hour Body, The 4-Hour Chef, Tools of Titans and Tribe of Mentors. The Observer and other media have named him “the Oprah of audio” due to the influence of his podcast, The Tim Ferriss Show, which has exceeded 900 million downloads and been selected for “Best of Apple Podcasts” three years running. Sign up for "5-Bullet Friday" (Tim's free weekly email newsletter): https://go.tim.blog/5-bullet-friday-yt/ Follow the Tim Ferriss Podcast: https://tim.blog/podcast/ Visit the Tim Ferriss Blog: https://tim.blog/ Follow Tim Ferriss on Twitter: https://twitter.com/tferriss/ Follow Tim Ferriss on Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/timferriss/ Like Tim Ferriss on Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/TimFerriss/

SPEAKERS

Tim Ferriss
host
Entrepreneur, investor, and host of The Tim Ferriss Show.
John Vervaeke
guest
Cognitive scientist and professor known for work on meaning, wisdom, and the video series “Awakening from the Meaning Crisis.”

EPISODE SUMMARY

In this episode of Tim Ferriss, featuring Tim Ferriss and John Vervaeke, John Vervaeke — How to Build a Life of Wisdom, Flow, and Contemplation | The Tim Ferriss Show explores john Vervaeke on Wisdom, Flow, Meaning, and Practicing Together Vervaeke lays out four ways of knowing (propositional, procedural, perspectival, participatory) and argues the non-propositional kinds rest on how we are coupled to our environment.

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