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New Health Gadgets, How to Drink Less, AI, & More

This time, we have a very special episode I recorded with my close friend Kevin Rose. We cover dozens of topics: from the cutting edge of health tech to pro-tips for colonoscopies; AI; adventures in Japan and Taiwan seeking out perfect coffee and tea; tips for drinking less alcohol; powerful documentaries like 32 Sounds and books such as Awareness; the unexpected joys and therapeutic benefits of adult Lego; and much, much more. This episode is brought to you by: Vanta trusted compliance and security platform: https://vanta.com/tim ($1000 off) Momentous high-quality supplements: https://livemomentous.com/tim (code TIM for up to 35% off) ExpressVPN high-speed, secure, and anonymous VPN service: https://www.expressvpn.com/tim (get 3 or 4 months free on their annual plans) Tim Ferriss is one of Fast Company’s “Most Innovative Business People” and an early-stage tech investor/advisor in Uber, Facebook, Twitter, Shopify, Duolingo, Alibaba, and 50+ other companies. He is also the author of five #1 New York Times and Wall Street Journal bestsellers: The 4-Hour Workweek, The 4-Hour Body, The 4-Hour Chef, Tools of Titans and Tribe of Mentors. The Observer and other media have named him “the Oprah of audio” due to the influence of his podcast, The Tim Ferriss Show, which has exceeded 900 million downloads and been selected for “Best of Apple Podcasts” three years running. Sign up for "5-Bullet Friday" (Tim's free weekly email newsletter): https://go.tim.blog/5-bullet-friday-yt/ Follow the Tim Ferriss Podcast: https://tim.blog/podcast/ Visit the Tim Ferriss Blog: https://tim.blog/ Follow Tim Ferriss on Twitter: https://twitter.com/tferriss/ Follow Tim Ferriss on Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/timferriss/ Like Tim Ferriss on Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/TimFerriss/ [00:00] Start. [00:44] Two old men discuss the importance of regular medical checkups. [07:29] Zen and the art of 32 Sounds. [10:34] Going with the low-poly Flow. [13:49] KevKev goes cleanclean and sober. [20:57] The first rule of AA is you do not talk about AA. [22:15] LEGO bricks (and Nanoblocks) as art for grown-ups. [24:19] Maintaining sobriety with a partner who still drinks. [27:36] Addressing under-the-hood reasons behind addiction with a group. [30:05] TimTim talks Taiwan and tea. [37:45] A Japanese coffee bender. [43:52] An "expresso" intervention. [44:54] Where Americans can get Taiwanese tea if they can't make the trip. [46:10] Kevin's new WHOOP wearable and quantifying health benchmarks/goals. [52:48] I'm getting a new exercise bike because the old one rubbed me the wrong way. [54:16] Kevin keeps COVID and cooties at bay with Profi in his schnozz. [57:09] Sippin' dashi and conquering anxiety with Awareness. [01:01:42] Getting a (Versa) Gripp on eclectic injuries. [01:05:20] Finding magic in the ordinary with Paul Madonna and Hayao Miyazaki. [01:08:36] The Well of Being is back in stock for a reasonable price. [01:09:18] Finding Asian artisanal goods in the US without having to travel. [01:12:08] Squirrels: distracting dogs and humans for millennia. [01:13:29] My personal ups and downs with accelerated TMS. [01:23:57] The current state of consumer-level sleep aid technology. [01:29:24] How full genome sequencing helped Kevin tame a once-insurmountable health issue. [01:31:49] Eyeing traffic at the intersection of AI and life sciences. [01:34:04] Genetic data privacy concerns. [01:38:15] Face to face with my deepfaked side hustler. [01:39:44] Kevin's unsettling AI headphone review experiment and its implications for real humans. [01:42:42] Steps Kevin has taken toward proving he's a real boy. [01:44:05] "You were talking to models — you were just talking to large language models." [01:46:01] Exploding Kittens and I made a game together: Coyote. [01:47:48] When meditation retreats go right (and wrong). [01:55:11] Parting thoughts.

Kevin RoseguestTim Ferrisshost
May 23, 20251h 59mWatch on YouTube ↗

At a glance

WHAT IT’S REALLY ABOUT

Ferriss and Rose on sobriety, wearables, TMS, and AI authenticity

  1. Tim Ferriss and Kevin Rose trade updates on health monitoring and aging-related checkups, discussing colonoscopies, annual scans, and the psychological challenge of false positives in comprehensive testing.
  2. Kevin details a sobriety push driven by habit, alarming liver labs, and a shift toward daily recommitment plus accountability through calls and a men’s support group, while navigating a spouse who still drinks.
  3. They recommend and discuss “awareness-enhancing” media and tools—like the documentary “32 Sounds,” Anthony de Mello’s “Awareness,” and creative books/art objects—alongside a shorter, more social Zen retreat format with Henry Shukman and Valerie.
  4. They compare travel experiences (Taiwan and Japan) through tea/coffee and culture, including practical recommendations for Taiwanese tea sources and Tokyo coffee spots.
  5. The conversation turns to new health tech (WHOOP MG and other wearables), experimental treatments (accelerated TMS), AI+genomics, and the growing risks of deepfakes and bot-driven online interactions.

IDEAS WORTH REMEMBERING

5 ideas

Sustained alcohol change was framed as daily recommitment plus social scaffolding, not a single big vow.

Kevin Rose describes changing his approach from an individual willpower goal (e.g., “90 days”) to a daily recommitment model (“not today”), plus building a support network he can call when cravings or discomfort spike.

Concrete lab feedback and early physical benefits helped reinforce sobriety.

Kevin Rose reports scary liver enzyme results prompted him to take drinking seriously, and he says after 26 days sober his liver enzymes dropped back down (to “low 30s”), alongside perceived improvements in energy and complexion.

Replacing the ritual matters: hobbies and community substituted for the “evening drink” habit loop.

Kevin Rose emphasizes filling evenings with alternative activities (e.g., LEGO/Nanoblocks builds, golf, other hobbies) so alcohol isn’t the default shared activity, and he describes a men’s weekly Zoom group as motivating—especially hearing fathers describe showing up better for kids.

Media can be used deliberately as an “awareness workout,” not just entertainment.

Tim Ferriss recommends the documentary “32 Sounds” (ideally with headphones) as a way to sharpen awareness through sound, tying it to meditation practice and attention training.

Accelerated TMS was presented as one of the most impactful interventions Tim has tried, though effects can be delayed and inconsistent.

Tim Ferriss shares personal experience with accelerated TMS for anxiosomatic/OCD-like rumination, describing a prior round that led to a delayed but strong remission of symptoms, and explains his ongoing experimentation with dosing and possible interactions (including the possibility of synergy with psychedelic exposure).

WORDS WORTH SAVING

5 quotes

Even though it's inconvenient, even though it's unpleasant, you gotta do it. You just have to do it.

— Tim Ferriss

There was this moment where I just realized what I'm doing is no longer serving me, and it's really... I just didn't feel like drinking was the solution to anything.

— Kevin Rose

Now, you know, as we speak, I am 26 days completely, perfectly sober, not a single drink, and it was freaking hard, dude, to get here, but I'm feeling really good now.

— Kevin Rose

I took my whole genome, dumped it into AI, and we worked out a playbook together on where we could find methyl donors to, and which methylated B vitamins I could give to help fix the broken cycle, 'cause I have the MTHFR genetic mutation.

— Kevin Rose

Almost every at-home brain stimulation device or let's just for simplicity sake call it brain stimulation device I've seen is at best a scam and at worst could do a fair amount of damage.

— Tim Ferriss

Colonoscopy and preventive screening mindsetFull-body MRI scans and false positivesSobriety: 24-hour framing, accountability calls, men’s groupReplacing drinking rituals with hobbies (LEGO/Nanoblocks, golf)Taiwan travel, tea, and Japanese coffee recommendationsWearables: WHOOP MG features, zones, VO2 max comparisonsAccelerated TMS for rumination/OCD-like symptoms and sleep impacts, consumer device skepticism','Genome sequencing + AI-driven supplement “playbook” (homocysteine, MTHFR, NAC)','Deepfakes, bots, proof-of-humanness, and online authenticity

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