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Sam Harris, Ph.D. — How to Master Your Mind | The Tim Ferriss Show (Podcast)

Sam Harris (@SamHarrisOrg) received a degree in philosophy from Stanford University and a Ph.D in neuroscience from UCLA. Sam is the host of the Waking Up podcast, and he is the author of multiple books including The End of Faith, Letter to a Christian Nation, The Moral Landscape, Free Will, Lying, Waking Up, and Islam and the Future of Tolerance (with Maajid Nawaz). This experimental episode came about because a few months back Sam asked me to be a beta tester for his Waking Up meditation app that he was creating at the time. It was recently released, and I highly recommend it. I anticipated it would be good because Sam’s work is always good, and he’s one of those rare humans who seems to think and speak in finished prose, and he has a voice that can very easily lull you into a semi-psychedelic state while you are completely sober. You’ll hear what I mean soon. Sam has a unique combination of experiences and areas of expertise, and his approach is that of a logical progression of layering on different types of training for learning the skill of meditation. In this episode, Sam will discuss his experiences with MDMA, his spiritual exploration, contact with so-called gurus, duality versus non-duality, and lots more. If you want to dive right into a beginner level guided meditation, skip to [52:32]. Make sure to check out the bonus episode (also found on this page) if you enjoy what you find here and want to jump straight to the guided meditations. The bonus episode also features additional content from Sam not found in the longer episode. Enjoy! Intro [00:00] What you can expect from this episode (and why you probably shouldn’t listen to it while you’re driving a car) [07:21] The Waking Up course app differs from other meditation apps. [08:39] Sam’s background and his journey after a psychedelic experience [09:22] Sam's views on religion and the “spiritual” [19:46] Gradual vs. sudden notions of realization or awakening, enlightenment vs. cessation, and the distinction between meditation and psychedelics as tools [22:09] Why Sam changed his mind about meditation after lengthy attempts for enlightenment proved unsuccessful [31:05] The dangers of guru Poonjaji’s “all or nothing” approach, the main difference between Advaita and Dzogchen teachings, and what it took to unravel one fellow student’s apparently confirmed enlightenment [37:12] Exploring Dzogchen and the context behind Sam’s current view of meditation [42:32] Perceiving the optic blind spot: the difference between being utterly misled by false information, being nudged in the general direction, and being precisely guided by an expert [45:42] One does not simply drop out of Stanford: Sam returns to college after 11 years away and finds himself uniquely qualified to unite his philosophical, scientific, and secular perspective with meditation [50:24] Why Sam believes the Waking Up course app and its guided meditations will benefit beginning and veteran meditators alike [51:38] Sam shares a 10-minute guided meditation from the course designed for a relative beginner to practice mindfulness [52:32] Sam shares a lesson from the course on the topic of death. [1:03:24] Sam shares a lesson on the mystery of being. [1:10:33] A 12-minute guided meditation from a little later in the course [1:19:54] Parting thoughts. [1:33:49] SUBSCRIBE: http://bit.ly/1dSzTkW About Tim Ferriss: Tim Ferriss is one of Fast Company’s “Most Innovative Business People” and an early-stage tech investor/advisor in Uber, Facebook, Twitter, Shopify, Duolingo, Alibaba, and 50+ other companies. He is also the author of five #1 New York Times and Wall Street Journal bestsellers: The 4-Hour Workweek, The 4-Hour Body, The 4-Hour Chef, Tools of Titans and Tribe of Mentors. The Observer and other media have named him “the Oprah of audio” due to the influence of his podcast, The Tim Ferriss Show, which has exceeded 200 million downloads and been selected for “Best of iTunes” three years running. Connect with Tim Ferriss: Visit the Tim Ferriss PODCAST: https://bit.ly/2rYjUBr Visit the Tim Ferriss BLOG: http://bit.ly/17jDHw3 Like Tim Ferriss on FACEBOOK: http://on.fb.me/1avYUxq Follow Tim Ferriss on TWITTER: http://bit.ly/17d94TE Follow Tim Ferriss on INSTAGRAM: http://bit.ly/2IfH37J

Tim FerrisshostSam Harrisguest
Nov 19, 20181h 39mWatch on YouTube ↗

At a glance

WHAT IT’S REALLY ABOUT

A secular path to mindfulness, non-duality, and mental freedom

  1. Sam Harris introduces the Waking Up app as both a guided meditation course and an expanding set of short lessons intended to explore consciousness from a secular, philosophical, and scientific perspective.
  2. He traces his entry into meditation through early solitude, a pivotal MDMA experience, and years of retreats and study in traditions ranging from Vipassana to Advaita and Dzogchen.
  3. He explains the tension between gradual, goal-oriented practice and sudden, non-dual recognition, warning that striving for future awakening can reinforce the illusion of a separate self.
  4. He previews in-episode practices: a beginner breath-based meditation, a lesson on death as a source of perspective, a lesson on the “mystery of being,” and a later meditation designed to investigate the feeling of being ‘inside the head.’
  5. He argues that meaningful psychological freedom must be compatible with ordinary waking life, and he presents the course as a structured way to repeatedly access and stabilize insights about attention and selfhood.

IDEAS WORTH REMEMBERING

5 ideas

Meditation is positioned as “sharpening the only tool you really have”: your mind.

He frames meditation as a way to train attention and reduce identification with thought, arguing that every experience and relationship is shaped by the mind that perceives it.

Meditation targets what is available in normal waking consciousness, unlike psychedelics’ reliance on changing the contents of experience.

He contrasts psychedelic-induced shifts with meditation’s aim to recognize a freedom that is already present in ordinary awareness, not dependent on dramatically altered states.

Seeking awakening as a future achievement can entrench the very “bondage” one is trying to escape.

He describes a paradox in spiritual seeking: striving for future freedom can reinforce the sense of self that practice aims to dissolve, and he outlines gradual versus sudden approaches as two traditional responses.

Goal-oriented retreat practice can increase effort while simultaneously deepening dissatisfaction if it becomes a vigil for results.

Using his time with U Pandita as an example, he explains how highly goal-oriented practice can motivate intensity but also foster frustration when practice becomes waiting for a specific payoff like “cessation.”

Non-dual insights are fragile without stability; it’s easy to confuse a story of realization with actual freedom from thought-identification.

He recounts how non-dual teachings can be misused when students prematurely claim final enlightenment, and he cites an episode where Tulku Urgyen deflates a student’s certainty by testing whether thoughts truly stopped.

WORDS WORTH SAVING

5 quotes

Our minds are all we have. They are all we have ever had, and they are all we can offer others.

— Sam Harris

Each of us is looking for a path back to the present. We're trying to find good enough reasons to be satisfied now.

— Sam Harris

Ultimately, I think we should all be practicing non-dual mindfulness without believing any bullshit.

— Sam Harris

You don't have to be the best at anything to be almost uniquely qualified for something.

— Sam Harris

And an awareness of death is the doorway into that way of being in the world.

— Sam Harris

Waking Up app structure: meditations and lessonsPsychedelics versus meditationMindfulness of breath and distraction by thoughtGradual vs sudden realizationVipassana retreats and “cessation” goalAdvaita, ego-illusion, and self-inquiryDzogchen, “taking the goal as the path,” and pointing-out instruction

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