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Seth Godin on The Game of Life, The Value of Hacks, and Overcoming Anxiety | The Tim Ferriss Show

Interview with Seth Godin on The Game of Life, The Value of Hacks, and Overcoming Anxiety | Brought to you by Athletic Greens (http://athleticgreens.com/tim), Four Sigmatic (http://foursigmatic.com/tim), Tonal (http://tonal.com/ $100 off their smart accessories with promo code TIM at checkout). Show notes: https://tim.blog/2020/10/26/seth-godin-the-practice/ Seth Godin (@ThisIsSethsBlog) is the author of 19 international bestsellers translated into more than 35 languages, including Tribes, Purple Cow, Linchpin, The Dip, and This Is Marketing. He writes daily at Seths.blog, which is one of the most popular blogs in the world. He’s also the founder of the altMBA and The Akimbo Workshops, online seminars that have transformed the work of thousands of people. He writes about the post-industrial revolution, the way ideas spread, marketing, quitting, leadership, and most of all, changing everything. His newest book is The Practice: Shipping Creative Work. In this episode, we explore many topics, including: The value of hacks The magic of Hamilton What learning to juggle and cultivating creativity have in common The myth of quality What Seth means by “Don’t steal the revelation.” Focusing on generosity instead of anxiety Choosing the ruleset of your own game of life How Joni Mitchell eschewed the safety of the sinecure What you would do if you knew you would fail? Please enjoy! 00:00 Start 07:35 The hack and “The Practice,” Seth’s new book 09:21 What is quality? 12:40 “Magic” and Hamilton, the musical 16:49 “Perfection” as a cop out of taking risks 19:18 Writer’s block 24:59 The road less challenging 33:21“Process saves us from the poverty of our intentions.” —Elizabeth King 35:08 Authenticity and action 36:32 Attitude as a skill 40:47 Skills with a high ROI 43:15 Anxiety and the futility of reassurance 45:58 Ineffective teachers, effective learners 50:06 The gift of tension + positive constraints 01:06:09 On seeking joy 01:08:04 Choosing the right game 01:11:07 Fulfilling work vs. training for the outcome 01:16:14 The message of “The Practice” 01:19:06 Juggling 01:21:32 Counterintuitive can be effective 01:25:13 Cultivating creativity 01:26:49 Genre, generic, and Earl Stanley Gardner 01:29:40 230 chapters in less than 230 pages 01:33:01 Why Joni Mitchell alienated her mainstream audience 01:34:47 What would you do even if you knew you would fail? 01:35:54 Parting thoughts. SUBSCRIBE: http://bit.ly/1dSzTkW LINK TO ALL SHOW TRANSCRIPTS: https://tim.blog/2018/09/20/all-transcripts-from-the-tim-ferriss-show/ About Tim Ferriss: Tim Ferriss is one of Fast Company’s “Most Innovative Business People” and an early-stage tech investor/advisor in Uber, Facebook, Twitter, Shopify, Duolingo, Alibaba, and 50+ other companies. He is also the author of five #1 New York Times and Wall Street Journal bestsellers: The 4-Hour Workweek, The 4-Hour Body, The 4-Hour Chef, Tools of Titans and Tribe of Mentors. The Observer and other media have named him “the Oprah of audio” due to the influence of his podcast, The Tim Ferriss Show, which has exceeded 500 million downloads and been selected for “Best of Apple Podcasts” three years running. Connect with Tim Ferriss: Sign up for "5-Bullet Friday" (Tim's email newsletter): https://go.tim.blog/5-bullet-friday-1/ Visit the Tim Ferriss PODCAST: https://tim.blog/podcast/ Visit the Tim Ferriss BLOG: https://tim.blog/ Follow Tim Ferriss on TWITTER: https://twitter.com/tferriss/ Follow Tim Ferriss on INSTAGRAM: https://www.instagram.com/timferriss/ Like Tim Ferriss on FACEBOOK: https://www.facebook.com/TimFerriss/

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Oct 29, 20201h 44mWatch on YouTube ↗

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WHAT IT’S REALLY ABOUT

Seth Godin on Shipping Creative Work, Constraints, Generosity, and Letting Go

  1. Seth Godin redefines words like hack, quality, and authenticity, arguing that perfectionism and talk of quality often serve as hiding places from shipping work.
  2. He tells Tim Ferriss that writer's block is really a fear of bad writing, and that the way through is to do the bad writing and to merely do the work without drama or narration.
  3. Godin argues that constraints, tension, and a carefully chosen smallest viable audience make creative work possible, illustrating the point with hockey boards, R.E.M., and his altMBA.
  4. Using juggling, swimming, and creativity as examples, he says learning works by getting good at the process (throwing, not catching) rather than anchoring on outcomes.
  5. He frames anxiety as experiencing failure in advance and recommends generosity, choosing your own game, and asking what you would do even if you knew you would fail.

IDEAS WORTH REMEMBERING

5 ideas

Quality is often a place to hide

Godin says quality originally means meeting spec, and perfectionism lets people avoid shipping because no one can argue against quality. The work that matters, he says, is the magic that changes people.

Writer's block is a fear of bad writing

Godin says the way through is to produce your bad writing, as Isaac Asimov did with six hours of typing each morning and discarding what was bad. Good writing slips through over time.

Merely do the work, don't just do it

Godin prefers 'merely' to 'just' because narrating and catastrophizing the work helps nothing. He says that once he dropped the drama, there was room to see what needed to be seen.

Decide once, and consistency beats authenticity

Citing Elizabeth King's line that process saves us from the poverty of our intentions, Godin says deciding in advance removes daily negotiation. He calls authenticity selfish and says the way we act shapes how we feel more often than the reverse.

Constraints and tension make creative work possible

Godin compares constraints to hockey boards and says he set seven constraints before building the altMBA. He says tension, like a stretched rubber band, should not be relieved too early by giving away the revelation.

WORDS WORTH SAVING

5 quotes

The way we act determines how we feel way more often than the way we feel determines how we act.

— Seth Godin

Anxiety is experiencing failure in advance.

— Seth Godin

What would you do if you knew you would fail?

— Seth Godin

Because if we try to anchor on outcomes and control results, we're in the catching business, and then we're really in bad trouble.

— Seth Godin

Creativity is a generous act. Get out of your own way. Don't ask for a guarantee. Simply, merely ship the work without drama and without dialogue.

— Seth Godin

Hack versus magic in creative workRedefining quality and perfectionismWriter's block and bad writingProcess, consistency, and authenticityConstraints and creating tensionAnxiety, reassurance, and detachment from outcomesLearning through juggling, swimming, and genre

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