What Now? With Trevor NoahMalcolm Gladwell: Do Fairytales Make Adulthood Harder?
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EPISODE INFO
- Released
- March 5, 2026
- Duration
- 2h 3m
- Channel
- What Now? With Trevor Noah
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EPISODE DESCRIPTION
This week, author and journalist Malcolm Gladwell joins Trevor and Eugene for a conversation that starts with big social theory and then delves into whether Disney movies have been quietly gaslighting our childhoods. From the idea that your parents are basically just middle managers for your grandparents’ personalities to the invisible shortcuts and assumptions that shape how we see the world, Gladwell does what he does best, spotting hidden patterns in the ordinary. And Trevor does what he does best, poking holes, grounding theory in real life, and refusing to let a big idea off the hook too easily. Part pop culture autopsy and part intellectual rabbit hole, this episode makes us overthink the things we love and love the things we overthink. If you haven't already.... Subscribe to the channel here: http://bit.ly/SubscribeTrevorNoah Or follow the podcast on your other favorite platforms... SiriusXM - Apple Podcasts - https://bit.ly/WhatNowOnApplePodcasts Spotify - https://bit.ly/WhatNowOnSpotify 00:00:04 - Rewriting Disney and the Confidence to Go Off Script 00:01:33 - Is Pickleball More Democratic Than Golf? 00:03:06 - Why Old Disney Movies Feel Better Than New Ones 00:04:55 - The Lost Art of Digression in Comedy and Storytelling 00:07:47 - K-Pop Demon Hunters and Letting Art Surprise You 00:09:19 - Malcolm Gladwell Never Watched TV as a Kid 00:10:40 - George Gervin and Falling in Love With an Imaginary Athlete 00:14:07 - Trevor’s Unexpected Journey to Becoming a Liverpool Fan 00:18:26 - “You’ll Never Walk Alone” and the Power of Collective Singing 00:21:13 - Hillsborough, Media Narratives, and When the Crowd Gets Blamed 00:23:21 - Accents as Identity: What the Way You Speak Reveals 00:25:17 The Moment Black Public Figures Stopped “Sounding White” 00:27:01 - Growing Up With 11 Languages in South Africa 00:33:06 - Malcolm on Disney Beauty Standards and the Blonde Princess Problem 00:35:16 - Discovering Billy Joel’s Holocaust Family History 00:40:04 - The “Gladwell Cut” – Fixing Flawed Documentaries 00:41:59 - Did Disney Teach Us That Good Always Wins? 00:44:37 - The Jamaican Word “Jinnal” and Loving the Mischief Maker 00:50:12 - Is Malcolm a Mischievous Journalist? 00:52:30 - Immigrants, Risk, and Why Comics Break Rules 00:55:51 - The Theory of Grandparents Explaining Who We Are 01:01:36 - Regret, Late Fatherhood, and Raising Chill Kids 01:30:57 - The Trans Athletes Panel That Exploded Years Later 01:42:16 - Two Train Tracks: Why Some Cultural Debates Can’t Be Resolved 01:52:12 - Are We Raising Kids to Chase Fame Instead of Purpose? 02:00:59 - Favorite Animated Characters and the Drama of Maleficent
SPEAKERS
Malcolm Gladwell
guestJournalist and author known for books like The Tipping Point and Outliers.
Trevor Noah
hostComedian and host of the What Now? with Trevor Noah podcast.
Eugene
hostCo-host on What Now? with Trevor Noah.
EPISODE SUMMARY
In this episode of What Now? With Trevor Noah, featuring Malcolm Gladwell and Trevor Noah, Malcolm Gladwell: Do Fairytales Make Adulthood Harder? explores gladwell and Noah unpack stories, identity, fairness, and imagination today Gladwell argues early Disney films (and great comedy) succeed because they trust audiences with digressions and delayed engagement, while modern data-driven storytelling over-optimizes for immediate retention.
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