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110 min read · 21,551 wordsIntro
Andrew Manganelli 0:00 I thought Light Phone was just running Android.
Speaker 0:01 No, that's the whole point, is you were supposed to just spend the $300 on an Android phone, but instead you spent it on this, so you can't do any of that. I mean, I think it does run Android, but it's just like-
Andrew Manganelli 0:08 I think there are people who, like, side load it, but that's definitely not what they want.
Speaker 0:13 If you want to side load Android apps-
Andrew Manganelli 0:15 [laughs]
Speaker 0:15 [laughs] ... just buy an Android phone. You don't have to do this to yourself. [upbeat music] Yo, what is up, people of the internet? Welcome back to another episode of the Waveform Podcast. We're your hosts. I'm Marques.
Andrew Manganelli 0:29 I'm Andrew.
Speaker 0:29 And I'm David. Big gadget week. Lots of new stuff is coming out, and we have thoughts on all of it. We can talk today about Garmin's new, uh, Whoop competitor, one of many. Uh, also Samsung has new folding phones that came out on Unpacked this week, and, uh, also a new Light Phone that we have thoughts on.
Andrew Manganelli 0:46 That Marques totally loves unconditionally.
Speaker 0:48 Hmm. Yeah, we'll, we'll see.
Andrew Manganelli 0:49 Read the script, Marques.
Speaker 0:49 We'll see. [laughs] Uh, and if you didn't see, uh, we are back to our regularly scheduled programming, but our not regularly scheduled programming, uh, was the last episode's trivia extravaganza in which Andrew... I d- I don't, I don't want to spoil it. [laughs]
Andrew Manganelli 1:03 Lost.
Speaker 1:03 I don't want to spoil it. Um, but, uh-
Andrew Manganelli 1:05 Andrew was there
Speaker 1:06 ... there were lots of changes in points over the course of that, that episode, and now we are resetting season five. Whatever season it is, we're back to zero, zero, and zero. Uh, but if you wanna see who won and who ran away with the most points, that's our last episode. Let's just say I'm equivalent to the San Antonio Spurs. Damn, that is a bit of a spoiler.
Andrew Manganelli 1:25 You are-
Speaker 1:25 If you know ball
Andrew Manganelli 1:26 ... you are 7'6", so you are as tall as Wembby.
Speaker 1:29 That is- That's what it says on my dating app. Mm-hmm.
Andrew Manganelli 1:31 That's-
David Imel 1:31 It, um, it also means he has a history and a legacy of cultivating French talent.
1:35 Bingo.
Andrew Manganelli 1:36 [laughs]
Speaker 1:36 [laughs]
Andrew Manganelli 1:37 When you're not subscribed, you miss a lot of stuff going on on Tuesdays-
Speaker 1:39 [laughs]
Andrew Manganelli 1:39 ... so you should probably hit that button.
Speaker 1:41 Definitely go watch that. It's true. All right, but first,
Did they even test this
Speaker 1:43 did they even test this? Okay, I have one. Okay. This one has been plaguing me for a long time, but I only recently realized how much I hate it. Mm-hmm.
Andrew Manganelli 1:52 Nice.
Speaker 1:52 Okay.
Andrew Manganelli 1:52 This is exactly what we need.
Speaker 1:54 [laughs] Yeah, so this is the Apple Weather app. I'm not sure if this is true on other weather apps. I'll tell you.
Andrew Manganelli 2:00 [laughs]
Speaker 2:01 And many people have been like, "Why do you use the stock Apple Weather app? Why don't you use these other ones?" Mostly, it's because it's included and free, 'cause I'm, um, a normie, I guess. It's like using the stock- Today ... calendar app, like a psycho. Which would be insane. I do not do that. Mm-hmm. Uh, I'm a Google boy through and through for calendar. Anyway, the worst part about the Apple Weather app is that it can be sunny almost all day long. It will rain for, like, one hour at 1:00 in the morning. Mm-hmm. And if you are zoomed out on the weather, it says 90% chance of thunderstorms all day. Or just-
Andrew Manganelli 2:38 Yeah
Speaker 2:38 ... the icon for the day is rain. Yeah, like- Yeah ... it says, "Tomorrow, 90% chance of thunderstorm," and then you actually tap into the day, and it's like, oh, from, like, 1:00 AM to 2:00 AM it's raining, and then all day it's sunny. Yeah, that is, that should be a setting that you can adjust. It's not. So I, I agree with you. That is kind of annoying. I, I've gotten so used to seeing the rain logo and then going, oh, it's going to rain at some point during those 24 hours, and then I click in to see when during the 24 hours. And it's usually at, like, 1:00 in the morning. But yeah, it is, uh, that is a very good point. Even a-
Andrew Manganelli 3:11 1:00 PM shower, if it's only for an hour.
Speaker 3:15 Yeah. You don't shower before bed?
Andrew Manganelli 3:16 [laughs]
Speaker 3:16 Well, see, that's, that's where I, that's where I think it should be customizable because I think people wanna know if at some point during the day it will rain, and then if it is, show the... Especially if it's, like, during the commute or during lunch or when I'm gonna be outside. Like, I wanna know if it's going to rain- Maybe- ... when I'm awake for it ... instead of a single icon, they could put, like, a sun and a rain icon and just put percentages next to it. Like, what percentage of the day is it sunny? What percentage of the day is it rainy? Well, that's what you see when you click in. When you click in, but then you have to click in, and this overview, like, you should just know. It says freaking thunderstorms, but it was sunny all day. [laughs] Okay, okay, so the, so the Apple Weather app has a terrible layout. Yeah. I suggest almost any other weather app.
Andrew Manganelli 3:55 It doesn't feel like e-
Speaker 3:55 Yeah, this is a-
Andrew Manganelli 3:56 I think most weather apps do that, though. If, like, there is rain at some point in the 24 hour day, it just shows a rain icon.
Speaker 4:02 It just shows rain.
Andrew Manganelli 4:03 And that's bad. That sucks.
Speaker 4:03 That's just bad. But there should be a setting of, like, will it rain during my commute or during my waking day, or like-
Andrew Manganelli 4:10 Waking day
Speaker 4:11 ... waking day.
Andrew Manganelli 4:11 I think, like, 9:00 to 8:00 PM-
Speaker 4:14 Yeah
Andrew Manganelli 4:14 ... if there's rain in there, you can put rain. If there's no rain in that, chill.
Speaker 4:19 Yeah. Yeah, that's valid. It's just... Yeah, I don't know. It just feels... It ma- it makes this feel practically pointless because unless it's, it shows a sun icon, which basically means it's sun all day, no matter what.
Andrew Manganelli 4:31 Wait, and what I didn't notice, you're, you were physically saying today, where 1:00 AM has happened already.
Speaker 4:37 Yeah.
Andrew Manganelli 4:38 And it still says rain.
Speaker 4:39 Still says thunderstorms.
Andrew Manganelli 4:40 Yeah, that's crazy.
Speaker 4:41 It's past.
Andrew Manganelli 4:41 It's past. Like, we are past that part.
Speaker 4:43 We're past it.
Andrew Manganelli 4:43 At least update when we're past it.
Speaker 4:45 Yeah. Yeah.
Andrew Manganelli 4:46 I don't know. Yeah.
Speaker 4:46 Yeah.
Andrew Manganelli 4:47 Dynamic to the point where maybe, like, within a few hours of the future.
Speaker 4:51 Yeah.
Andrew Manganelli 4:51 And then changes, so if you check your weather in the morning and it says sunny, but then when you check again at, like, 1:00 PM, if it's raining later, then maybe it can switch to rain.
Speaker 4:59 Yeah. And I-
Andrew Manganelli 4:59 You should just use the Nothing Weather app because it has a widget that shows you, like, the whole day.
Speaker 5:03 Do they have that for the iPhone?
Andrew Manganelli 5:04 This is on iPhone.
Speaker 5:05 Oh, interesting. Oh, that's the Not Boring Weather app.
Andrew Manganelli 5:07 Yes. Thank you, sorry.
Speaker 5:08 Oh. [laughs]
Andrew Manganelli 5:08 I said Nothing. Not Boring.
Speaker 5:09 Oh. That's all right. I did it from eight feet away. I was like, I know that widget.
Andrew Manganelli 5:12 [laughs]
Speaker 5:13 Is that paid or is that free or? It's a free one. Come on. There's a paid tier, though. There's a paid tier. Yeah. Okay.
Andrew Manganelli 5:18 That is so
Speaker 5:18 I may start exploring weather apps the way you guys explore productivity apps. I would recommend it. What do you mean? This is Marques's, like, other job.
Andrew Manganelli 5:26 Yeah, true.
Speaker 5:27 Yeah, I got you. I think what we're discovering- Okay, so- ... is why, like, weather apps are the peak of data organization and display. Yeah. Like, there is so much that people want to know or don't wanna know or want preferences on showing in, like, the weather display, and, and that's why weather apps are crazy. Yeah. So what do you recommend for the iPhone for a weather app? So my personal favorite is Carrot still, Carrot Weather. Okay. Uh, it's essentially ripped a layout from Dark Sky, which- Okay ... we've heard about, we've talked about Dark Sky many times. Yeah. Um, so it has the same layout as Dark Sky, and then it has a really good radar implementation. So if you ever wanna see the overhead of, like, where the storms are- Mm-hmm ... or where they're tracking during the day, that's really useful. And then, like, so when you pull up... This is, we're going way too into that. [laughs] Yeah, I'll give you my layman's term- It's funny ... of what the ideal- Yeah ... situation is. You have three weather apps, and you either use one until it's wrong and then switch to another one till that's wrong- Yeah ... or just look at all three of them until you find the thing you want to believe happens that day. [laughs] Agree with that one, and then later when it rains, be like
Speaker 6:27 Yeah
Andrew Manganelli 6:27 ... really didn't think it was gonna rain today, and then just be sad about it.
Speaker 6:30 I should j- just have a full page of weather app widgets-
Andrew Manganelli 6:32 [laughs]
Speaker 6:33 ... and then I can just look, and they all say different things.
Andrew Manganelli 6:34 [laughs]
Speaker 6:34 They all say different things. And I look at five, and I take an average.
Speaker 6:37 So this is, this is Dark Sky's copy layout. See how that's-
Speaker 6:41 Yeah
Speaker 6:41 ... a light blue? That's like a light per-
Speaker 6:43 Light rain
Speaker 6:43 ... a light percentage chance.
Speaker 6:45 Okay.
Speaker 6:45 So you kind of at, at a glance, you know, oh, at 4:00 PM it might storm.
Speaker 6:48 What about sun? How do you know about sun?
Speaker 6:50 Uh, then it'll, these-
Speaker 6:51 Is it yellow?
Speaker 6:51 ... these will not be gray. So this is, like, cloudy.
Speaker 6:53 Okay.
Speaker 6:54 Gray all day. But if it's a sunny day like this-
Speaker 6:56 Is it yellow?
Speaker 6:57 See how it's clear up there?
Speaker 6:58 That's clear.
Speaker 6:58 That's clear.
Andrew Manganelli 6:58 Why would it be yellow? [laughs]
Speaker 7:00 So that's, it's just a good glanceable, you know, thing.
Speaker 7:03 You should just do what I do, and walk in the morning and ask Marques. [laughs]
Andrew Manganelli 7:06 [laughs]
Speaker 7:07 Yeah.
Andrew Manganelli 7:07 Just call him.
Speaker 7:08 Yeah.
Speaker 7:08 That's what you do.
Speaker 7:09 [laughs]
Speaker 7:09 Your weather app just calls Marques. [laughs]
Speaker 7:11 This is actually what MarquesGPT would be helpful for.
Andrew Manganelli 7:14 [laughs]
Speaker 7:15 Mar- Marques, you're in my phone as Weather App.
Speaker 7:17 Yes.
Andrew Manganelli 7:18 [laughs]
Speaker 7:19 Nice.
Speaker 7:19 That's why every day-
Speaker 7:20 The widget is crazy
Speaker 7:20 ... you text, if you just text me a question mark every morning at 8:00 AM, then I just answer.
Speaker 7:24 [laughs]
Andrew Manganelli 7:24 [laughs]
Speaker 7:24 It's just how it, how it works.
Speaker 7:26 Anyway, that's mine. I just, I just need them to fix. It's just so annoying.
Andrew Manganelli 7:29 That is really stupid.
Speaker 7:30 It's been pissing me off, so.
Speaker 7:31 Yeah. That's all right.
Speaker 7:32 All right. Um,
Garmin Cirqa
Speaker 7:34 we got, we've been talking about, a lot about Fitbit stuff. We've been talking a lot about Whoop stuff. Andrew, certified Whoop hater.
Andrew Manganelli 7:40 Mm-hmm.
Speaker 7:40 I stopped using my Whoop, and I'm using the, the Fitbit Air again.
Speaker 7:43 Marques is the last one standing.
Andrew Manganelli 7:44 Solo Whoop.
Speaker 7:45 So we represent the entire spectrum here. [laughs]
Speaker 7:47 Yeah, that's true.
Andrew Manganelli 7:48 Yeah.
Speaker 7:48 And now, and now-
Speaker 7:50 We finally got the product we've been thinking was probably going to happen eventually, and it happened eventually. This is the Garmin screenless activity tracker. Uh, Andrew's very excited about this, 'cause Andrew has used Garmins for years. So do you want to talk about this?
Andrew Manganelli 8:03 I don't know if excited.
Speaker 8:03 Yeah, we'll talk about it.
Speaker 8:04 We're looking forward to it.
Andrew Manganelli 8:05 I was looking forward-
Speaker 8:06 Now it's out
Andrew Manganelli 8:06 ... to seeing what it was.
Speaker 8:08 Yeah.
Speaker 8:08 Well, so let's start with what it is.
Andrew Manganelli 8:10 The Garmin Cirqa.
Speaker 8:11 Mm-hmm.
Andrew Manganelli 8:11 C-I-R-Q-A.
Speaker 8:13 Why did they do that?
Andrew Manganelli 8:15 Garmin, I guess.
Speaker 8:16 Just stop using Q's. [laughs] Just stop with the Q's.
Speaker 8:18 Let LG handle that.
Andrew Manganelli 8:18 Garmin I guess kind of has done some w- the Garmin Fenix was F-E-N-I-X.
Speaker 8:24 That's fine.
Speaker 8:24 That's fine.
Andrew Manganelli 8:25 It is, but not what you would normally assume Fenix, Fen-
Speaker 8:28 M-A-R-Q
Andrew Manganelli 8:28 ... it's Fenix.
Speaker 8:29 Yeah, they've all had a little-
Speaker 8:30 Stop with the Q's.
Speaker 8:31 Okay. Anyways.
Speaker 8:32 Yeah.
Andrew Manganelli 8:32 It's... [laughs]
Speaker 8:35 [laughs]
Speaker 8:36 [laughs]
Andrew Manganelli 8:37 This is one of those things where I saw the picture, and the colors of the bands looked great.
Speaker 8:42 Yeah.
Andrew Manganelli 8:42 The materials looked really solid.
Speaker 8:44 Mm-hmm.
Andrew Manganelli 8:44 It has a button on the side, which I was like, okay, I like potential customizable button. And then the more I read about it, the more-
Speaker 8:51 Button's cool
Andrew Manganelli 8:51 ... sad I got.
Speaker 8:52 Mm.
Speaker 8:53 Yeah. So on the surface, it's roughly the same size and shape as you're expecting. It's kind of similar to the Whoop, maybe a little bit thinner. Uh, it's narrower than the Fitbit, but you know, it's a screenless fitness tracker.
Speaker 9:05 Is it wider?
Speaker 9:05 It's, it's w- it's wider than the, sorry, wider than the Fitbit.
Speaker 9:08 Yeah.
Andrew Manganelli 9:08 Wider than Fitbit, probably about as wide as Whoop. Potentially a little shorter in terms of height off of your wrist than the Whoop.
Speaker 9:16 Okay. Which is nice. That's what pop-
Andrew Manganelli 9:17 Um, DesFit had, like, a little unboxing that showed both of them. Um, DesFit and DC Rainmaker are probably gonna have 400 videos on this, and I will watch all of them-
Speaker 9:25 Yeah
Andrew Manganelli 9:25 ... because they are my go-to Whoop, uh, activity tracker, whatever.
Speaker 9:30 They compare all of them.
Andrew Manganelli 9:31 [laughs] They compare them all so much.
Speaker 9:33 The thing that's also great about this one is it's no subscription needed. It's $200-
Andrew Manganelli 9:37 Also, yes
Speaker 9:38 ... for just buying it outright and using it forever.
Speaker 9:41 That's pretty nice.
Speaker 9:42 And now again.
Andrew Manganelli 9:43 Always a good thing. There are, I believe it's $6 a month for Garmin, uh, what's it called? Garmin Connect Plus, I think it is. Um, and there are some features in there. A lot of them are workouts and workout-
Speaker 9:55 Coaching
Andrew Manganelli 9:55 ... plans and coaching and stuff. There is one thing that I found out later, which is live heart rate zones and some l- there's some live graphs, but most importantly, h- live heart rate zones on your phone live app that I think is Connect Plus only.
Speaker 10:09 Mm.
Andrew Manganelli 10:10 Which is [beep] .
Speaker 10:11 Mm.
Andrew Manganelli 10:11 That's so easy. It's on all of your watches already.
Speaker 10:15 Yeah.
Andrew Manganelli 10:15 That doesn't require the subscription for that, and plays it on the watch. Back off, Garmin.
Speaker 10:20 Mm.
Andrew Manganelli 10:21 Put that on the free mode. Let the AI coaching and whatever be the thing you pay extra for.
Speaker 10:26 Mm.
Andrew Manganelli 10:26 I think that's totally fair. Um, but yeah, 200, $199, no subscription fee. I found the bands to be kind of expensive. They're $49 for an extra band, or $60 for the arm band. A lot, Fitbit has really reasonable accessory prices. Um, they're like 35 bucks for some of them.
Speaker 10:44 Mm.
Andrew Manganelli 10:44 They're definitely, they're Velcro, a little bit of stretch. I think the colors look really good. There's, like, black, a tan-
Speaker 10:51 And blue
Andrew Manganelli 10:51 ... kind of a brownish maroon-y color, and then a blue. Um-
Speaker 10:55 Blue
Andrew Manganelli 10:55 ... definitely chunkier. I was confused by 10-day battery life. That seems short in my eyes, considering I have the 48 millimeter AMOLED, uh, Fenix 8 Pro or whatever it is, and that can get, like, 14 days of battery life with that huge AMOLED screen-
Speaker 11:14 True
Andrew Manganelli 11:14 ... with raise to wake on, and this only gets 10. Obviously, it's bigger.
Speaker 11:18 Mm.
Andrew Manganelli 11:18 But this is doing so much less. It doesn't have a screen.
Speaker 11:20 Yeah.
Andrew Manganelli 11:21 I feel like, so my thought was, cool, it's Garmin. They love GPS. Maybe this is the first screenless activity tracker with GPS connection-
Speaker 11:30 Which would've been awesome
Andrew Manganelli 11:30 ... which would've been so Garmin.
Speaker 11:32 Mm.
Andrew Manganelli 11:32 And it's not.
Speaker 11:33 Yeah.
Andrew Manganelli 11:33 It's GPS Connect only, which is through your phone.
Speaker 11:36 Ugh.
Speaker 11:36 Right.
Andrew Manganelli 11:37 Which I think is such a big miss. I, uh, I hate to say this, but I almost feel like that's dead on arrival for this.
Speaker 11:43 Yeah, the, I would think the Garmin one-
Andrew Manganelli 11:45 Yes
Speaker 11:45 ... people are going to be looking to the Garmin one for the things that they've looked to Garmin for in the past, which is a lot of outdoor workouts, which, like biking and hiking and running.
Andrew Manganelli 11:53 Mm-hmm.
Speaker 11:53 That's like a heavy GPS activity. If I want to take this out and not bring my phone with me, I would like it to have GPS. GPS is also a very big power draw, and I wonder if this is just a focus on, like, we have to make it so thin and light and small that it's got a tiny battery, and GPS would draw too much battery.
Speaker 12:08 But it's, like, not, it's, it's kind of big. It's like-
Andrew Manganelli 12:12 It is kind of chunky.
Speaker 12:13 Yeah.
Speaker 12:13 But it's the same, I mean, think about, like, the Whoop and the Fitbit Air-
Speaker 12:17 Yeah
Speaker 12:17 ... that also don't have GPS.
Andrew Manganelli 12:17 Well, yeah, but Whoop's a scam, so.
Speaker 12:19 I'm just saying form factor-wise, if you add GPS to that small thing-
Speaker 12:22 Yeah, but doesn't-
Speaker 12:23 ... it's cruising through battery
Speaker 12:24 ... doesn't the watch have, like, standalone GPS?
Andrew Manganelli 12:26 Yeah, like, so many of my watches-
Speaker 12:27 Yeah, but the watch has a much larger physical b- I know it's, like, a small thing on your wrist still, but milliamp hour wise, it's a much bigger battery. 'Cause you're used to having a metal, heavier thing on your wrist.
Speaker 12:36 Yeah.
Andrew Manganelli 12:36 Um-
Speaker 12:36 But that's still why I thought that this new one would have GPS, because-
Speaker 12:40 Yeah
Speaker 12:40 ... without GPS, this thing should have, like, a 30-day battery life.
Speaker 12:43 That would be nice.
Speaker 12:43 So the fact that it only has 10-
Andrew Manganelli 12:44 Yeah, that's-
Speaker 12:45 ... I was like, oh-
Speaker 12:46 Yeah
Speaker 12:46 ... so it has to have GPS then.
Andrew Manganelli 12:47 The 10 made you think it might have GPS because even though the other ones are bigger, they have longer battery lives, GPS, and they're powering a screen. Which makes it feel like one of those things should have stayed there.
Speaker 12:58 Right.
Speaker 12:58 Yeah.
Andrew Manganelli 12:58 How-
Speaker 12:59 How long does your Fitbit actually last on battery?
Speaker 13:01 Like 12 to 14 days.
Andrew Manganelli 13:03 Really?
Speaker 13:03 I'm at-
Speaker 13:03 That's small
Speaker 13:04 ... my Whoop lasts, like, 10 days.
Andrew Manganelli 13:05 My Fitbit lasts, like, maybe a week.
Speaker 13:07 What?
Andrew Manganelli 13:07 Like seven days.
Speaker 13:08 Yeah.
Andrew Manganelli 13:08 Yeah.
Speaker 13:08 No, mine-
Andrew Manganelli 13:09 It'll be, like, 10% by, like, day six
Speaker 13:11 ... mines lasts at least 10 days.
Speaker 13:12 And when you're tracking workouts, it goes faster 'cause of all the higher sampling. So, like, if I start a weekend with two practices at 25% battery, it's nearly dead by the end.
Andrew Manganelli 13:20 Whoa.
Speaker 13:21 In two days.
Andrew Manganelli 13:21 Whoa.
Speaker 13:22 So-
Andrew Manganelli 13:22 The Fitbit?
Speaker 13:23 Yeah.
Andrew Manganelli 13:23 That's weird.
Speaker 13:23 No, the Whoop.
Andrew Manganelli 13:24 Oh, the Whoop.
Speaker 13:25 Yeah. And the Fitbit too, I was getting, like, seven to eight days of battery.
Andrew Manganelli 13:27 Mm.
Speaker 13:28 So when I saw 10 days, I was like, "Hmm, yeah. That's probably about right."
Andrew Manganelli 13:31 Mm.
Speaker 13:32 But the others will rate it for, like, 14, so this seems like it's maybe not gonna make it to seven for me.
Andrew Manganelli 13:37 Yeah.
Speaker 13:37 Which is tough.
Andrew Manganelli 13:38 We'll have to see. So it does-
Speaker 13:39 Yeah
Andrew Manganelli 13:39 ... it does kind of the typical stats. You can track, uh, activity tracking, heart rate, sleep, HRV, calories. It has body battery/training readiness. That's something Garmin's had for a long time.
Speaker 13:49 Mm-hmm.
Andrew Manganelli 13:49 Um, there are s- uh, there's a sleep coach included in the free metrics, and all the, general sleep tracking. This is something-
Speaker 13:56 [laughs] Sleep coach is funny.
Andrew Manganelli 13:57 I think it's-
Speaker 13:58 Stay asleep.
Andrew Manganelli 13:58 Well, I think-
Speaker 13:59 [laughs]
Andrew Manganelli 13:59 ... it's more like, uh-
Speaker 14:00 Here's how to sleep better. [laughs]
Andrew Manganelli 14:02 I think it's more along the lines of, like, you had a really training fulfilled day, and maybe didn't get as much sleep. You should try and get an extra hour of s- that's all it is.
Speaker 14:10 You're doing great.
Andrew Manganelli 14:10 It's saying, like-
Speaker 14:11 You're doing great
Andrew Manganelli 14:11 ... "Bro, take a nap," or, "Bro, like, chill out today. Go to sleep a little earlier."
Speaker 14:15 Mm-hmm.
Andrew Manganelli 14:15 Um-
Speaker 14:16 Yeah
Andrew Manganelli 14:16 ... there is vibrations for alarms. There's no altimeters for floors climbed.
Speaker 14:21 Is there vibration for notifications?
Andrew Manganelli 14:23 No.
Speaker 14:23 Ah, sorry Andrew.
Andrew Manganelli 14:24 Nope.
Speaker 14:25 Just the alarm.
Speaker 14:26 They hate.
Speaker 14:26 Just let go of-
Andrew Manganelli 14:26 Someone's, there's gotta be someone who can figure out the, like, if this, then that, and just make every time I get a text m- notification in-
Speaker 14:34 Set an alarm
Andrew Manganelli 14:34 ... it just, like, s- quickly sets an alarm for-
Speaker 14:37 Oh
Andrew Manganelli 14:37 ... 30 seconds later, and then-
Speaker 14:38 Yeah
Andrew Manganelli 14:38 ... like, rings at me
Speaker 14:39 ... I know someone who can do that. It's my friend Claude.
Andrew Manganelli 14:41 [laughs]
Speaker 14:41 [laughs]
Andrew Manganelli 14:42 Yeah. He sounds expensive.
Speaker 14:43 Yeah, well.
Speaker 14:44 [laughs]
Andrew Manganelli 14:44 And potentially really dangerous. [laughs]
Speaker 14:47 [laughs]
Andrew Manganelli 14:48 The, what else was I gonna say? The button on the side can help you with quick launching different activities. It does have auto tracking activities, and most of the stuff you do through the same Garmin Connect app that you're used to, but the button can then be helpful. I haven't seen exactly how it's used, but for launching some of the other activities that maybe you don't think it's gonna pick up automatically.
Speaker 15:08 Mm.
Andrew Manganelli 15:08 Um-
Speaker 15:09 I feel like the usefulness of that is limited, because I need my phone on me anyway.
Andrew Manganelli 15:14 What do you mean?
Speaker 15:15 Like, if I'm gonna go on a run-
Andrew Manganelli 15:17 Mm-hmm
Speaker 15:17 ... and I quick start a run, it doesn't track GPS.
Andrew Manganelli 15:20 Yeah, that's true.
Speaker 15:20 So I need my phone. I'm gonna have my phone on me anyway. I'll just-
Andrew Manganelli 15:23 Yeah
Speaker 15:23 ... walk, take out my phone, and start a run.
Andrew Manganelli 15:25 I'm sure-
Speaker 15:26 Like-
Andrew Manganelli 15:26 With how many different activities there are, I'm sure there's some that that would be beneficial.
Speaker 15:30 That's true, yeah.
Andrew Manganelli 15:30 I remember, like, when we used to play, or when I used to play Ultimate wearing my Whoop, I would be, like... We would play, like, an indoor league, and I would go out and start running and be like, "Oh, I didn't start it on my phone." But my phone would be in my bag where I, like, changed everything, not on the sidelines. So-
Speaker 15:45 Yeah
Andrew Manganelli 15:45 ... then I could just press it and be, like, sh- it's starting an activity. I'll go in and call it Ultimate later.
Speaker 15:51 Yeah. It is nice to have a quick start button. That's a nice feature.
Andrew Manganelli 15:53 For sure. Or if climbing, you leave your phone in your bag all the time, stuff like that. I, I could see that being beneficial. I mean, uh, hopefully there's some other things you can do with a button. I think a button is-
Speaker 16:03 I was just gonna say, having one button unlocks so much.
Andrew Manganelli 16:05 I-
Speaker 16:05 That's, like, one of the main reasons why I like Garmin when exercising in general, is because touchscreens are so annoying when you're sweaty and it's hot out, and you're, like-
Andrew Manganelli 16:13 Yeah
Speaker 16:13 ... a couple miles into a run. Like, just pressing a button is so much easier.
Andrew Manganelli 16:16 Mm-hmm.
Speaker 16:16 Yeah. Their absolute cheapest watches are about 250. They do have a, like, little screened smart band, the Vivosmart 5.
Andrew Manganelli 16:25 Like an old Fitbit.
Speaker 16:26 Yeah, like an old Fitbit, but it's, uh, 150. So I guess-
Andrew Manganelli 16:30 Yeah
Speaker 16:30 ... that's kinda the best fit.
Andrew Manganelli 16:31 Yeah, this is, I was trying to figure out who I think this is best for, because in so many ways it's cheaper than Whoop, because Whoop is infinite. Um, $200, so twice the price of Fitbit Air. It's also twice the thickness of Fitbit Air, which I really think-
Speaker 16:47 Wow
Andrew Manganelli 16:47 ... is why the Fitbit Air is so good.
Speaker 16:49 Good.
Andrew Manganelli 16:49 Because of how-
Speaker 16:50 This thing is so heavy, it's crazy
Andrew Manganelli 16:51 ... chill it is.
Speaker 16:52 Yeah.
Andrew Manganelli 16:52 Like, it just is so minimal.
Speaker 16:54 Yeah.
Andrew Manganelli 16:54 It feels ideal. And as much as I like, it looks like the materials are good. Looks like the colors are... It, like, all looks nice, but then seeing it on people's wrists and then seeing the Fitbit Air is like-
Speaker 17:03 Yeah
Andrew Manganelli 17:03 ... when you maybe wanna wear another watch, having a much smaller band on your other, the smaller seems better.
Speaker 17:09 You know what this is for?
Andrew Manganelli 17:11 Yeah.
Speaker 17:11 This is for the people that, like, have an F-150 and then they buy a second car that's, like, a Corolla.
Andrew Manganelli 17:17 Well, that is kind of what I was, I was gonna say.
Speaker 17:19 [laughs]
Andrew Manganelli 17:19 This is for people who do maybe really, like, triathlons or marathons or things where the watch telling them the information, so someone who already has a Garmin watch but doesn't wanna wear it all of the time.
Speaker 17:32 Exactly, yeah.
Andrew Manganelli 17:33 So then all of their information's in the same app and coexist with each other.
Speaker 17:38 Mm-hmm.
Andrew Manganelli 17:38 But they don't wanna wear the, the giant 50 millimeter [laughs] AMOLED watch that just is, like-
Speaker 17:44 Yeah
Andrew Manganelli 17:44 ... pure statistics on it all the time, 'cause it doesn't look nice at work, but they still wanna, you know, typical screen-less activity Whoop user. I can't even take a shower without tracking my heart rate in the middle of it.
Speaker 17:55 [laughs]
Andrew Manganelli 17:56 So, like, being able to constantly track there.
Speaker 17:57 Dude, literally every time I'd take my Whoop off in the shower, I'd be like, "Why are you taking it off? You can shower with this on. You can just put the battery on. It's waterproof, it's okay."
Andrew Manganelli 18:05 [laughs]
Speaker 18:05 It's like, never take your Whoop off. Always be tracking.
Andrew Manganelli 18:09 Yeah. I mean, I think that's anyone wearing these kinds of things, that's probably something they like to do. It also is the same-
Speaker 18:14 Just shower. Just shower
Andrew Manganelli 18:15 ... proprietary...
Speaker 18:16 Geez.
Andrew Manganelli 18:16 Yeah, I guess if it's cloth, yeah, take it off in the shower. It's cloth, you don't want it to be wet all day.
Speaker 18:22 Yeah, I don't go to-
Andrew Manganelli 18:22 I don't get that
Speaker 18:23 ... sleep wet. To be fair, though, uh, my Fitbit Air has gotten real dirty.
Andrew Manganelli 18:27 It is pretty dirty.
Speaker 18:28 Pretty gross. So maybe I should shower with it on. [laughs]
Andrew Manganelli 18:31 I mean, one time.
Speaker 18:33 Yeah, maybe once.
Andrew Manganelli 18:33 You don't have to do it every time.
Speaker 18:34 Yeah.
Andrew Manganelli 18:34 Um, it's this stupid little proprietary charger that Garmin uses-
Speaker 18:38 Ugh
Andrew Manganelli 18:38 ... which I just really dislike, and I don't know why they haven't changed that yet.
Speaker 18:42 Okay, wait.
Speaker 18:42 That's, um-
Speaker 18:43 That is my one thing that made me real-
Andrew Manganelli 18:45 Yeah.
Speaker 18:45 Not that I like it.
Andrew Manganelli 18:46 Okay.
Speaker 18:46 I agree with you, it is stupid. The proprietary charger in general is annoying. But this is what made me think that it is a secondary device. Because if you already have a Garmin watch, you already have the charger Like, if they-
Andrew Manganelli 18:56 Yeah
Speaker 18:56 ... if it shipped with, like-
Andrew Manganelli 18:57 True
Speaker 18:58 ... USB whatever, it would be more annoying. Or, like, a proprietary magnetic charger, it would be like, "Oh, now I have two chargers for my two Garmin things." Like, I-
Andrew Manganelli 19:05 Mm-hmm. True
Speaker 19:06 ... it's, like, the second option, so it has the same charger. Fine, whatever.
Andrew Manganelli 19:10 Yeah. I don't know. I wanted to be really excited by this, and then the more I read about it, the less excited I was about it.
Speaker 19:15 Yeah.
Andrew Manganelli 19:15 They did send me an email asking if I wanted a sample. I said yes. We'll see if they send that before this episode comes out-
Speaker 19:20 [laughs]
Andrew Manganelli 19:20 ... and then take it back. But, uh-
Speaker 19:22 Look, if anything-
Andrew Manganelli 19:23 I will try it if they send it
Speaker 19:23 ... if anything, being critical should make them want to send you one more, if they actually-
Andrew Manganelli 19:29 Yeah
Speaker 19:29 ... believe in their product.
Andrew Manganelli 19:29 The gray and the, like, brown colors look really nice.
Speaker 19:32 Why is the beige one called French Gray? What makes it French?
Andrew Manganelli 19:36 [laughs] You should know. You're the Spurs.
Speaker 19:38 Yeah, true.
Speaker 19:38 [laughs]
Speaker 19:39 I don't-
Andrew Manganelli 19:40 No mal.
Speaker 19:40 Tony Parker anybody? [laughs]
Speaker 19:42 It's not even... It's, like, beige.
Speaker 19:43 French gray is a color.
Andrew Manganelli 19:44 It does feel beige. I... That's the thing-
Speaker 19:45 Why?
Andrew Manganelli 19:45 ... I've been calling brown, and-
Speaker 19:48 Shouldn't it be white?
Andrew Manganelli 19:49 Okay.
Speaker 19:49 No, I think it's, like-
Andrew Manganelli 19:50 Fair
Speaker 19:50 ... an actual, like, like, capital C color.
Andrew Manganelli 19:54 Gray is-
Speaker 19:55 Like a color.
Speaker 19:56 Yeah
Andrew Manganelli 19:56 ... if you're gonna paint a room or something, and gray is so much not gray a lot of the times. This feels really stupid, but we wanted to paint our bedroom gray, and we got six different paint samples, put them up, and we're like, "That looks really nice." Painted the whole room, and Claire and I walk in, and we're like, "That's light blue."
Speaker 20:12 [laughs]
Andrew Manganelli 20:13 That is-
Speaker 20:14 Hmm
Andrew Manganelli 20:14 ... that, like-
Speaker 20:15 Needs more warmth to it
Andrew Manganelli 20:15 ... any undertone that hits with a gray-
Speaker 20:18 Yeah
Andrew Manganelli 20:18 ... the bigger, the more it gets, you're like, "Oh, my God. That's not gray anymore."
Speaker 20:21 That's true.
Andrew Manganelli 20:21 Yeah.
Speaker 20:21 I painted my room Shasta Blue, and I regret it.
Andrew Manganelli 20:25 Shas-
Speaker 20:25 We've been making a lot of paint decisions recently for a certain upcoming studio, and you've really-
Andrew Manganelli 20:31 [laughs]
Speaker 20:31 ... gotta be careful.
Speaker 20:32 No. You know what's funny? I was hanging out with Brandon, and Alex was sending him photos of paint samples, and Brandon-
Speaker 20:38 Yeah
Speaker 20:38 ... was like, "This is useless."
Speaker 20:40 I can't. [laughs]
Andrew Manganelli 20:41 Auto white balance has made this... It's like when-
Speaker 20:44 Yeah
Andrew Manganelli 20:44 ... you talk about AirPods.
Speaker 20:45 Yeah, I know.
Andrew Manganelli 20:45 Like, I don't know what color those are.
Speaker 20:47 Yeah.
Andrew Manganelli 20:47 No, or the other day, you were just like, "It's getting really dark outside," and, like, posted a picture to Slack, and it just looked like a normal day. [laughs]
Speaker 20:53 Yeah, 'cause-
Speaker 20:53 [laughs]
Speaker 20:54 ... 'cause the AQI was crazy, and it looked like Mars outside.
Speaker 20:56 Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 20:56 And I took a picture to see how red the air was-
Speaker 20:59 It was just a normal cloudy day
Speaker 20:59 ... and it's, the auto white balance is like, "So it's sunny, right?"
Andrew Manganelli 21:01 Yeah.
Speaker 21:01 So it's, yeah, I guess.
Speaker 21:02 There's regular clouds.
Andrew Manganelli 21:03 When we saw the eclipse, there's a video of it, and it's all of us freaking out, and it looks like almost nothing happens. [laughs]
Speaker 21:09 [laughs] Yeah, we gotta-
Speaker 21:11 Yeah, you gotta lock that off
Speaker 21:12 ... manual settings. Okay.
Andrew Manganelli 21:14 So yeah.
Speaker 21:15 Um-
Andrew Manganelli 21:15 We'll see what happens with it.
Speaker 21:17 All right. I... We don't need to talk about this for that long. Uh-
Andrew Manganelli 21:20 Please read-
Speaker 21:21 Yes, we do.
Speaker 21:22 Okay, sure.
Andrew Manganelli 21:22 Who wants to read the title I put for this?
Speaker 21:23 I'll read the script.
Andrew Manganelli 21:24 Okay.
Speaker 21:24 All right.
Speaker 21:25 This is the craziest phone with a hinge that's been announced.
Andrew Manganelli 21:28 Oh, no.
Speaker 21:28 This is not the phone.
Andrew Manganelli 21:29 You're missing. You, you missed a part.
Speaker 21:30 Before
Buzz by Jack Dorsey
Speaker 21:31 we even get to that, there's a little blurb in the script.
Speaker 21:32 Oh, I-
Speaker 21:32 I'll read it
Speaker 21:33 ... I missed the blurb.
Speaker 21:33 It says, "Some decentralized group chat thing that David and Adam are gonna be enamored with that will never actually exist because no one will use it, and it's made by the same idiot who-"
Andrew Manganelli 21:41 It already exists.
Speaker 21:42 [laughs]
Andrew Manganelli 21:42 So what are you talking about? It's already out.
Speaker 21:45 It's currently out.
Speaker 21:45 Here we go. I'm running it on my computer right now.
Speaker 21:47 I wish I was, but David never invited me, so I can't.
Speaker 21:49 I can't figure out how to invite you.
Andrew Manganelli 21:50 How many people are you talking to?
Speaker 21:52 Uh, my three agents.
Andrew Manganelli 21:53 [laughs]
Speaker 21:54 [laughs]
Speaker 21:54 But look, they're cute.
Andrew Manganelli 21:56 They are kinda cute.
Speaker 21:56 Okay, what is it?
Speaker 21:57 Look at them.
Speaker 21:58 It's a group chat. What is this?
Speaker 21:59 Look at the little agents.
Andrew Manganelli 22:00 Okay, yeah.
Speaker 22:00 What is it called?
Andrew Manganelli 22:00 Explain it, and then we'll talk about the little agents.
Speaker 22:02 Okay, yeah, we didn't, I didn't explain it. Okay. Um, so Jack Dorsey's Block company, which is now sort of a mega company, whatever, it announced this new app called Buzz.
Andrew Manganelli 22:13 Google Buzz.
Speaker 22:14 And [laughs] it is available now, so I guess that's why they took it. Buzz is just Slack. Like, it looks almost identical to Slack. It is so ridiculously similar to Slack. And when he tweeted it out, he said that they made it because they wanted to reduce dependency on Slack. What makes it interesting-
Andrew Manganelli 22:33 Okay
Speaker 22:33 ... is that it's open sourced. It does not completely run on his o- like, open protocol, which is Noster, but every action that you take within it is, like, is on the Noster chain. So everything's, like, verified over Noster. It's, like, a peer-to-peer thing.
Andrew Manganelli 22:52 Mm-hmm.
Speaker 22:53 Um, when you add people to it, it, it's basically like a locally run Slack.
Andrew Manganelli 22:58 Mm-hmm.
Speaker 22:59 Everything is, like, stored both locally and put on the Noster chain. And then for some reason, they have, like, a little mini GitHub inside of it, too, so that you can, like, vibe code with your friends.
Andrew Manganelli 23:09 Mm-hmm.
Speaker 23:10 Which is interesting. I don't know.
Speaker 23:11 It's very much like, uh, the BitChat one that he released, like, a year or two ago-
Speaker 23:15 Yes
Speaker 23:15 ... that David and I were using on the plane, and you guys-
Andrew Manganelli 23:16 On the plane?
Speaker 23:17 ... were making fun of us.
Speaker 23:17 Yeah.
Andrew Manganelli 23:18 No, we weren't making fun of you. We were-
Speaker 23:19 Oh
Andrew Manganelli 23:19 ... pretending we were other people.
Speaker 23:20 [laughs] Oh, yeah.
Speaker 23:21 Yeah.
Speaker 23:21 It's like a mesh Bluetooth network where you can message people locally.
Speaker 23:25 But it looks-
Speaker 23:25 This is like that, but with Slack
Speaker 23:26 ... it looks exactly like Slack, right?
Speaker 23:28 Yeah.
Speaker 23:28 And then there's a little agents tab, and there's three different agents that I guess you can set up to do different things. Um, yeah. And you can connect... They're like... You can connect whatever agent you, whatever model you want to it. So it can be a local model. It can be, like, a Claude model. It could be an OpenAI model. I don't know. I like... Look-
Speaker 23:49 Way more useful for engineering teams, I would assume.
Speaker 23:51 Yeah, for sure.
Speaker 23:52 But fun for us to play around with.
Speaker 23:53 I like the idea of, like, reducing dependent on a giant mega corporation and running something locally, and-
Speaker 23:58 Totally
Speaker 23:58 ... I am also all for, like, prot- open source protocols and-
Speaker 24:03 Yeah. This reminded me-
Speaker 24:04 Yeah
Speaker 24:04 ... a lot of... So in order for us to be in the same community, we had to... Like, there's a private key and a public key situation you have to do. So I had to just send David my public key so he can add me, which he can't figure out, but-
Speaker 24:14 I can't figure out how to add you. [laughs]
Speaker 24:16 [laughs] Besides that, it just reminded me of this old app called Keybase that was kind of similar to this. It was just using PGP to kind of, like, prove ownership of certain domains, so you can verify yourself over, like, every social media app, which was cool.
Speaker 24:31 Mm.
Speaker 24:32 So it was a social media, like, platform, basically. Like, I would go to your profile, and then you would link your Twitter or your website or your YouTube channel. And then because it was verified in that way, if I saw someone tweeting and I clicked it and it wasn't you, I would know, because, like, it wasn't verified on who I know to be Marques Brownlee or Andrew Manganelli, you know? So this is what, kind of, it reminded me of, just, like, easily, easy ways to verify people. Um, but then that company was bought by Zoom- And, uh, no one trusts it anymore, so [laughs]
Speaker 25:02 Yeah, I mean-
Speaker 25:03 It, it crashed and burned.
Speaker 25:04 I-
Speaker 25:04 But still, pretty cool
Speaker 25:05 ... literally cannot figure out how to add you, so we'll figure it out later, I guess.
Speaker 25:09 [laughs]
Speaker 25:09 I've been trying.
Andrew Manganelli 25:10 Who needs people to chat to on a chat [laughs] forum?
Speaker 25:11 I mean, I got my agents, bro.
Andrew Manganelli 25:13 [laughs]
Speaker 25:13 I got three agents here.
Speaker 25:14 They are a little-
Speaker 25:14 Fizz, Honey and Bumble is what their names are. They are little claymation guys though.
Andrew Manganelli 25:19 Yeah.
Speaker 25:19 They are pretty cute, I gotta say.
Andrew Manganelli 25:20 I will for-- I, I don't have a use for this, but I will say the website is very pretty.
Speaker 25:25 Yeah.
Speaker 25:25 Yeah.
Andrew Manganelli 25:25 And it makes me want to-
Speaker 25:26 What do you mean you don't have a use for this? We don't have to pay for Slack anymore.
Speaker 25:29 We use Slack every day.
Andrew Manganelli 25:29 Well, we do have to use Slack.
Speaker 25:31 No we don't.
Andrew Manganelli 25:32 You think we could use this instead of Slack?
Speaker 25:33 100%, it's the same thing.
Speaker 25:35 100%.
Andrew Manganelli 25:35 Really?
Speaker 25:35 It's exactly-
Speaker 25:36 You can't even [laughs] get-
Andrew Manganelli 25:36 Is it multi-platform?
Speaker 25:37 [laughs]
Andrew Manganelli 25:37 Is there a phone app?
Speaker 25:39 Yeah, there's a... Well, I, I don't know, actually.
Speaker 25:41 That's a great question [laughs]
Andrew Manganelli 25:42 Is it on the Light Phone?
Speaker 25:44 Um.
Speaker 25:44 Can I video call on it?
Andrew Manganelli 25:45 [laughs]
Speaker 25:46 Uh.
Speaker 25:46 Is there autos? Will it compress audio files I send through it?
Speaker 25:49 Is there a time bot? I... I, uh, th-
Speaker 25:53 There's a new Light Phone, everyone
Speaker 25:54 Look, the agent can code a time bot. Okay. Um, I don't know.
Speaker 25:57 David literally cannot stop defending the agents.
Andrew Manganelli 26:00 [laughs]
Speaker 26:01 'Cause they're little claymation figures.
Speaker 26:03 That was a Dota joke.
Speaker 26:05 What?
Speaker 26:05 'Cause isn't that stands for Defense of the Agents?
Speaker 26:07 Ancients.
Andrew Manganelli 26:08 Ancients.
Speaker 26:09 Oh my God.
Andrew Manganelli 26:10 Wow.
Speaker 26:10 You thought Dota was Defense of the Agent? [laughs]
Andrew Manganelli 26:12 [laughs]
Light Flip phone
Speaker 26:13 This whole time I actually did.
Speaker 26:14 What? What?
Speaker 26:16 Guys, I'll see you later.
Speaker 26:17 All right, let's move on. Um, okay, there's a new Light Phone. You guys might have remembered the Light Phone 3. Very difficult to use little phone, but, you know, it doesn't really have any of your apps. It's got, like, a podcast app, but you have to upload the files yourself. It's got a music app. You have to have all the MP3s and upload them to the cloud. It's very much like an old school smartphone that's barely a smartphone.
Andrew Manganelli 26:39 But it was $900.
Speaker 26:41 It was a lot of money.
Andrew Manganelli 26:42 Yeah.
Speaker 26:43 Was it really 900?
Andrew Manganelli 26:44 So I thought it was... It launched at, like, 699, then claimed it was gonna go to 800, but when I was on the website this morning, I only saw it at 899.
Speaker 26:54 No way. It's 300.
Andrew Manganelli 26:55 Pressure. No, no, sorry. We're talking about the old one.
Speaker 26:57 Oh, the original Light Phone. Oh, the 3.
Andrew Manganelli 27:01 The, the 3.
Speaker 27:01 Okay.
Andrew Manganelli 27:02 Yeah, sorry.
Speaker 27:03 Right.
Andrew Manganelli 27:03 You were saying you remember the Light Phone, so I thought we were talking about-
Speaker 27:06 Oh, this... Okay, I'm sorry.
Andrew Manganelli 27:08 Okay.
Speaker 27:08 I remember... Okay, this is what's crazy. The Light Phone is a very old product, and even the Light Phone-
Andrew Manganelli 27:12 Oh, the first one, yes, yes
Speaker 27:13 ... even the Light Phone II is a very old product.
Andrew Manganelli 27:16 Mm.
Speaker 27:16 'Cause I remember, like, Adam and I, when we were at Android Authority, kept being like, "Can we review this?" And it was already, like, a few years old, and they just, like, they were like, "There's no interest in this." Um, anyway, last year they released the... Or maybe it was earlier this year, I don't remember, the Light Phone 3, $900, insane pricing.
Andrew Manganelli 27:33 Mm-hmm.
Speaker 27:33 Um, it's cool, it's interesting, but it's $900 and it's hard to use.
Speaker 27:38 [laughs]
Speaker 27:40 Now-
Andrew Manganelli 27:41 Marques is about to explode.
Speaker 27:43 [laughs]
Andrew Manganelli 27:43 Yeah, go on
Speaker 27:44 ... now they have the Light Flip, and effectively what the Light Flip is, is they kinda, it seems like they kinda jacked the screen out of the Light Phone II maybe, or maybe it's, like, a different screen, but it's a flip phone, looks adorable, kinda looks like it was made by, uh, IKEA or Teenage Engineering or both.
Andrew Manganelli 28:04 Like, if IKEA-
Speaker 28:04 Or their collabs
Andrew Manganelli 28:05 ... made a flip phone toy for kids.
Speaker 28:08 Yeah, yeah, basically.
Andrew Manganelli 28:09 Yeah.
Speaker 28:09 It comes in these really fun colors. It's got these, like, raised buttons on the inside. It's a legit flip phone with the Light Phone UI. Um, and it's 300 bucks, which I don't think is as ba- Like, I don't know.
Andrew Manganelli 28:22 Do you want me to run specs?
Speaker 28:23 I saw your, I saw your tweet. I was like, "Yeah, it's 300 bucks."
Andrew Manganelli 28:27 Your guys' tweets came up, like, next to each other on mine-
Speaker 28:29 [laughs]
Andrew Manganelli 28:29 ... and it was David just being like, "This is so cute and cool," and Marques is like, "I hate this." [laughs]
Speaker 28:36 [laughs]
Andrew Manganelli 28:36 "This makes no sense." I'll run through specs really fast.
Speaker 28:39 Okay.
Andrew Manganelli 28:40 Okay.
Speaker 28:40 Look how cute it is.
Andrew Manganelli 28:41 299, 2.8 inch, 480p OLED display.
Speaker 28:45 Yes.
Andrew Manganelli 28:46 I don't see anything about touch support, so I'm going to assume this is not a touch screen display.
Speaker 28:50 I doubt it's a touch screen.
Andrew Manganelli 28:51 The buttons are really big and circular.
Speaker 28:55 Yeah.
Andrew Manganelli 28:55 Uh, and they match the colors. It is a flip phone, but it is a thick flip phone.
Speaker 28:58 Look how ridiculously cute this is. I mean-
Andrew Manganelli 29:00 It is really adorable
Speaker 29:00 ... are you kidding me?
Andrew Manganelli 29:01 Um-
Speaker 29:01 I want one so bad
Andrew Manganelli 29:02 ... you can either use-
Speaker 29:03 Yeah
Andrew Manganelli 29:03 ... T9 or voice-to-text audio.
Speaker 29:06 [laughs]
Andrew Manganelli 29:06 I'm so interested how many people remember how to use T9-
Speaker 29:09 Yeah
Andrew Manganelli 29:09 ... because I don't think a lot of people do.
Speaker 29:12 It's slow.
Andrew Manganelli 29:13 Well, it's faster than regular typing-
Speaker 29:15 Sure
Andrew Manganelli 29:15 ... on it, but yeah. Um, I see that being a huge issue for, like, very specific proper nouns, like cities and street names. Like, not to dox you, Marques, but imagine trying to type your street name-
Speaker 29:27 Yeah, it would take me-
Andrew Manganelli 29:28 ... into this
Speaker 29:28 ... 20 minutes on this phone.
Andrew Manganelli 29:29 [laughs] It would take you so... 'Cause T9's a predictive word.
Speaker 29:33 Mm-hmm.
Andrew Manganelli 29:33 And then voice you can say it and maybe it can use context clues, but, like, I've had voice-to-text screw up much easier.
Speaker 29:42 Yeah, it's almost like this is a flawed product.
Andrew Manganelli 29:43 [laughs] Yeah. Um, the available tools or apps, you wanna call it, um, alarm, calculator, calendar, directory, directions, hotspot, music, notes, voice memo, podcast, weather, authenticator, timer.
Speaker 29:54 But their weather app is more accurate than the Apple one.
Speaker 29:56 How are you gonna do T9 on authentica- Sorry, keep going.
Andrew Manganelli 29:59 Well, authenticator just needs to show, so it just needs to be the thing that can show you the authenticator codes, right?
Speaker 30:04 Yeah, you gotta log in, though.
Andrew Manganelli 30:05 Which-
Speaker 30:05 Dude
Andrew Manganelli 30:06 ... you do have to log in for sure
Speaker 30:07 ... it's so beautiful.
Andrew Manganelli 30:08 Well, could you QR code scan to log in on an authenticator app?
Speaker 30:12 Hopefully.
Andrew Manganelli 30:12 I thought so.
Speaker 30:13 If you have both phones, you can unlock it with the other one, or you can decrypt it with a password. I had an issue recently where I tried to use an Apple phone and log into my authenticator app, and it wouldn't let me do it because it was saying that the phone itself wasn't secure enough to do it.
Andrew Manganelli 30:26 [laughs]
Speaker 30:27 So I wonder if this will have that issue. I h- I don't know about it, but-
Andrew Manganelli 30:30 Interesting. Still no email.
Speaker 30:32 Hm.
Andrew Manganelli 30:32 This is... I'm gonna do my really quick rant before I let you two go at it, but w- stop calling email app a distraction. I'm not, like, going through my email app, like-
Speaker 30:43 Doom scrolling your email. [laughs]
Andrew Manganelli 30:43 Doom scrolling my email through, like, spam.
Speaker 30:45 I don't know, dude.
Andrew Manganelli 30:46 Like, people need e- Work isn't a distraction, work is work.
Speaker 30:50 [laughs] .
Andrew Manganelli 30:50 Work is how I-
Speaker 30:50 You know what-
Andrew Manganelli 30:51 ... make money to buy this phone. I-
Speaker 30:52 You know what Tim told me the other day? He said he took Instagram off his phone for the month, and he's been doom scrolling LinkedIn. [laughs]
Andrew Manganelli 30:59 Oh.
Speaker 30:59 I was like-
Speaker 31:00 Ugh
Andrew Manganelli 31:00 ... for a while it was-
Speaker 31:01 Oh, no
Andrew Manganelli 31:01 ... Facebook Marketplace for me, but that's a really fun doom scrolling site. [laughs]
Speaker 31:04 LinkedIn is so much worse.
Andrew Manganelli 31:05 That, that is worse. But, like, yeah- I need email. Like, maybe you could argue Slack and stuff. I think that's all still stuff most people need for work, but, like, I just [laughs] need my email for so many different things.
Speaker 31:17 Yep.
Andrew Manganelli 31:18 Let me have my email. Anyways, colors are black, navy, red, pink, yellow, gray. Um, and yeah, all that. Who wants to go first, Marques or David?
Speaker 31:26 I don't think that-
Speaker 31:26 David, you should never r- you should never get one.
Speaker 31:27 [laughs]
Speaker 31:28 Oh, my God.
Speaker 31:29 You should just never get one.
Speaker 31:31 I don't think that this is that overpriced.
Andrew Manganelli 31:34 I don't think it's crazy overpriced.
Speaker 31:35 This is the Corolla to your F-150.
Speaker 31:38 Okay.
Speaker 31:38 [laughs]
Speaker 31:39 This is the scooter ... Okay. All right.
Speaker 31:41 [laughs]
Speaker 31:42 This is a ... So, like you said, Andrew, it's not a touch screen. It's a T9, like, number layout keyboard on a flip phone, which is fine for a flip phone, but it's also supposed to be, like, kind of a decently functional thing. You can see you can do podcasts, and calendar, and directions, and you're supposed to type into these things with a T9 keyboard all the time, with predictive text. That sounds terrible.
Andrew Manganelli 32:04 Or voice-to-text.
Speaker 32:04 Or maybe voice-to-text. It has a camera on the back. That's something some flip phones have, and maybe you could take a couple pictures. I just don't understand why you would spend $300 for this when you can spend $100 on a flip phone that does the exact same thing, or-
Speaker 32:19 Not the exact same thing
Speaker 32:20 ... or you could spend $300 on a smartphone that lasts four or five days, 'cause you're not doing anything on it. Why are you, why are you spending $300 on this? Because it looks really nice, I guess. They're, I, they're essentially preying on people who-
Speaker 32:35 Preying
Speaker 32:35 ... want a-
Andrew Manganelli 32:36 I love this
Speaker 32:37 ... beautiful object and who don't actually do much of anything on their phone, which is fine. It's just, you don't have to spend $300.
Speaker 32:45 The Kyocera E4830 Duro XC Epic AT&T unlocked consumer cellular T-Mobile flip phone 16 gigabyte rugged is-
Andrew Manganelli 32:52 Bless you
Speaker 32:53 ... 200 bucks at Best Buy, and I would pay an extra $100 for-
Speaker 32:58 You'd s-
Speaker 32:58 ... a f- a, a thing that looks like a teenage engineering product with an amazing s- dumb UI-
Speaker 33:04 Mm-hmm
Speaker 33:04 ... that is, like, hard to use but just beautiful.
Speaker 33:08 Okay.
Speaker 33:08 It is just beautiful.
Speaker 33:09 Yeah.
Andrew Manganelli 33:09 There was a $99 one, though, on the Best Buy store.
Speaker 33:11 Yeah, it went around.
Speaker 33:11 You can-
Speaker 33:12 [laughs]
Speaker 33:12 You can get a Moto G-
Speaker 33:13 I don't care
Speaker 33:14 ... Power-
Speaker 33:16 That's a, that's a smartphone
Speaker 33:17 ... for $300. Yeah, it is, and it does way more than this.
Speaker 33:20 Yeah, but that's not what people buy these for.
Speaker 33:22 I know, but then you put a launcher on it, and it does whatever you want.
Speaker 33:26 Hm. Yeah, but it doesn't look like this.
Speaker 33:28 Yeah. Well-
Speaker 33:29 [laughs]
Speaker 33:30 ... I guess that's the only reason-
Andrew Manganelli 33:31 But Red
Speaker 33:31 ... you can justify it, is 'cause nothing else looks like this.
Speaker 33:34 Yeah.
Speaker 33:34 Exactly, which is fine.
Speaker 33:36 Yeah. I'm, and I will say, like, I, I didn't get to use the Light 03.
Speaker 33:38 I'll make it $1,000.
Speaker 33:39 [laughs] Why don't we just make it $2,000 while we're-
Speaker 33:43 Light Phone III is $900-
Speaker 33:45 Uh
Speaker 33:45 ... on his website right now.
Speaker 33:46 That's crazy.
Speaker 33:46 That's also absurd.
Speaker 33:47 That's absurd.
Andrew Manganelli 33:48 That's wild.
Speaker 33:49 But that's three times as much as 300.
Speaker 33:50 It's f- but-
Andrew Manganelli 33:50 I-
Speaker 33:51 ... nothing else looks like that.
Speaker 33:53 Yeah.
Speaker 33:53 Except-
Speaker 33:55 The Flip
Speaker 33:55 ... the Minimal Phone 2.
Speaker 33:56 [laughs] The Minimal Phone 2.
Speaker 33:58 Which was-
Speaker 33:58 Yeah
Speaker 33:58 ... announced recently as well.
Andrew Manganelli 34:00 Oh, was it? I-
Speaker 34:01 Oh, really?
Andrew Manganelli 34:01 This is one of those things where, like-
Speaker 34:02 Yeah, I just bought it
Andrew Manganelli 34:02 ... I actually, like, I like what it looks like. I personally don't think it's that crazy overpriced, especially 'cause it's a smaller company. But I'm just so mad at the things that they consider distractions that I think some- most people n- need for everyday life.
Speaker 34:17 Yeah.
Andrew Manganelli 34:17 I think an email is one of those things.
Speaker 34:19 Yeah.
Andrew Manganelli 34:19 When you don't include those things, you're guaranteeing that this is a secondary phone to you, and that you still, for work or important things, need to bring a phone with you.
Speaker 34:27 Yeah.
Andrew Manganelli 34:27 Which then, the distraction is just in your backpack. And-
Speaker 34:30 Yeah
Andrew Manganelli 34:31 ... when I'm-
Speaker 34:32 Not having-
Andrew Manganelli 34:32 ... hankering for a doom scroll, I'm just gonna go in my backpack, I guess.
Speaker 34:35 Not having a touch screen makes things really tough for this phone, like, to use.
Andrew Manganelli 34:39 Which I think-
Speaker 34:40 Yeah
Andrew Manganelli 34:40 ... you could put more apps on it that are, quote, distractions, because it will just be so hard to use. You can have it for the needed communications you need, but you won't be spending a whole lot of time on email again. I just don't get that.
Speaker 34:57 Yeah.
Andrew Manganelli 34:57 I'm stuck up on that, for sure.
Speaker 34:58 Yeah.
Speaker 34:58 Like, making a phone call makes perfect sense. Texting, you can do T9 texting. I wanna pull up a song and play it in a music player. That's-
Speaker 35:05 I mean, you can do that if you own the MP3s.
Speaker 35:08 Yeah. Yeah.
Speaker 35:10 Yeah. Not gonna be searching through podcasts very often, but yeah.
Speaker 35:13 Yeah.
Speaker 35:13 You can't just download Spotify on this?
Speaker 35:16 Nope.
Speaker 35:16 Isn't it Android?
Speaker 35:17 So-
Speaker 35:18 I thought Light Phone was just running Android.
Speaker 35:19 No, that's the whole point, is you were supposed to just spend the $300 on an Android phone, but instead you spent it on this, so you can't do any of that.
Speaker 35:25 I mean, I think it does run Android, but it's just like-
Andrew Manganelli 35:26 I think there are people who, like, side load it, but that's definitely not what they want.
Speaker 35:31 If you want to side load Android apps-
Andrew Manganelli 35:33 [laughs]
Speaker 35:33 ... just buy an Android phone. You don't have to do this to yourself.
Speaker 35:37 "We recently launched a developer program for community-built and open source tools."
Andrew Manganelli 35:42 Oh, putting Instagram on it? [laughs]
Speaker 35:45 [laughs]
Speaker 35:45 There's currently not a music streaming platform like Spotify or a way to call message with platforms like Signal or WhatsApp. There is not a rideshare tool available. These tools may be possible in future software updates.
Andrew Manganelli 35:56 Hm. Oh, you love future software updates. [laughs]
Speaker 35:59 I'm not even gonna say it. You know what I'm gonna say, so I'm not even gonna say it.
Speaker 36:02 Yeah. I will say, it is funny that, and this happens all the time. This happened with, uh, ARM chips. This happens with everything. Eventually, we, we build too much functionality into things, and we go, "We don't need all that functionality. Let's strip it all away." And then eventually we're like, "This needs more functionality."
Andrew Manganelli 36:18 [laughs]
Speaker 36:19 And then they just build it out again.
Speaker 36:20 A phone maker.
Speaker 36:20 So that's kinda what's happening here.
Speaker 36:21 A Boox Palma with-
Speaker 36:23 Yeah
Speaker 36:23 ... a color screen.
Speaker 36:24 The main annoying things, so I didn't get to review the Light Phone III, but my friend Michael Fisher did, and when I was hanging out with him a lot, it was really annoying.
Speaker 36:34 Yeah.
Speaker 36:34 'Cause he couldn't, like, call an Uber. He couldn't pay me on Venmo, conveniently.
Andrew Manganelli 36:39 [laughs]
Speaker 36:40 [laughs]
Speaker 36:40 Um, so eventually he, he did enjoy his time with it, because he was reading books more and stuff, but eventually it got a little bit too annoying, and he just was like, "This is just a little too annoying." So if they could put ... Maybe if they could put rideshare and Venmo on here.
Andrew Manganelli 36:56 Could I-
Speaker 36:57 Yeah
Andrew Manganelli 36:58 ... the Light, the minimalist community's gonna hate me for saying this.
Speaker 37:00 Peppero.
Andrew Manganelli 37:00 But could you compare these to, like, a crash diet, where it's not sustainable?
Speaker 37:05 [laughs]
Andrew Manganelli 37:05 So you-
Speaker 37:06 Yeah
Andrew Manganelli 37:06 ... buy one-
Speaker 37:07 Yeah
Andrew Manganelli 37:07 ... and then you're like, "I can do it." And then you just-
Speaker 37:09 You're like, "I can do it, I can do it"
Andrew Manganelli 37:10 ... curse through it, you know? You're totally crashing, crashing, and then you go, "I can't do this anymore." And then you just-
Speaker 37:15 Then you binge
Andrew Manganelli 37:15 ... absolutely binge-
Speaker 37:16 [laughs]
Andrew Manganelli 37:17 ... doom scrolling and, like, your phone and distractions after that.
Speaker 37:19 Oh.
Speaker 37:19 That's so true.
Andrew Manganelli 37:20 I don't like-
Speaker 37:21 Okay. I have, I must have a very different view on the use of this phone.
Speaker 37:24 I'm ready. Let's go.
Speaker 37:25 I wanna hear it.
Speaker 37:25 Okay.
David Imel 37:27 Out- outside of the $299 price tag, you could pay, what is it, $39 a month, $49 a month, to have it be on a, like, plan with one gigabyte of data and unlimited call and text, whatever.
Speaker 37:39 Mm-hmm.
David Imel 37:40 I think this is your personal phone, and then you make your smartphone your work phone.
Speaker 37:46 Mm.
David Imel 37:46 So, like, you get home-
Speaker 37:47 Slack
David Imel 37:47 ... and you put one phone with Slack and email and everything, you put that in your backpack for the next day. You walk around with this phone.
Speaker 37:54 Yeah.
David Imel 37:54 On the weekends, you just leave your phone at home. It's like a laptop, you just leave it at home 'cause you don't- you're not doing any work, and then you have a $39 phone that you're just walking around with in case someone needs to contact you.
Speaker 38:02 That's right. We've talked about this with, like, clicks and stuff like that, but it just- That's okay ... feels... Also- There's just- ... I love how it's like, we can be distracted at work. That's cool. [laughs]
David Imel 38:12 Well, not being distracted-
Speaker 38:13 There's like, uh- What else are you gonna do? You're wa-
David Imel 38:15 The tools-
Speaker 38:15 And boss's time, Instagram it up. [laughs] That's-
David Imel 38:18 Well, I a- actually do need to post to social for work, but more so just the tools themselves are not available on this phone, like Slack.
Speaker 38:24 Exactly.
David Imel 38:25 You don't get Slack on this phone.
Speaker 38:26 Ah.
David Imel 38:26 So you can't do it for work.
Speaker 38:27 I think that's, that's nice if you have that nice delineation where the only thing you need your personal phone for is for people to contact you, and then the rest of the stuff you only need at work. But the once in a while you need to Venmo someone, or the once in a while you need to Uber somewhere-
David Imel 38:39 Yeah
Speaker 38:39 ... or you need to do some quick, y- you know, Apple Pay, like pay for something on your... Like, once in a while, that little, those annoyances are gonna add up, especially with a phone like this where you can't use a QWERTY keyboard, and I feel like-
David Imel 38:50 Mm
Speaker 38:50 ... after a while, I'm just gonna get annoyed. And I think most people who use this are reviewers giving it a shot and then being like, "Yeah, it's not for me."
David Imel 38:58 I don't know, man.
Speaker 38:59 There are dozens.
David Imel 38:59 Did Clarkson have one? Clarkson had one.
Speaker 39:00 Does he still have it?
David Imel 39:01 I don't know if he's still using it.
Speaker 39:02 He was using a Nokia.
David Imel 39:03 When he came.
Speaker 39:04 He... Yeah, when he came, he was using a dumb phone. I would say use a Nokia. You'd spend a tenth of the money. [laughs] It's probably a better deal than that. Does the Moto G Power have the little flip phone charm ring thing that you can put charms on your phone, you know? No, it does not. Just saying.
David Imel 39:19 I don't know, that charm feels pretty destructive. [laughs]
Speaker 39:20 There's a long list of things- [laughs] Distracting ... that I gotta do scroll my charms.
David Imel 39:25 [imitates scrolling]
Speaker 39:26 Uh, also, I, I, I do have to say that it shi- it doesn't ship until April of next year. Oh my... [laughs] Wow. Which is a really long time.
David Imel 39:33 I feel like they always do that, though. They always announce it, and it's, like, shipping way later.
Speaker 39:36 Technically, you're still reserving the Light Phone III.
David Imel 39:39 Yeah.
Speaker 39:39 Yeah. Part of me ma- s- part of me thinks that these are all renders, and they don't actually have, like, units.
David Imel 39:44 By the way-
Speaker 39:45 Yeah, but-
David Imel 39:45 ... the Moto G Power is, like, a solidly good-looking phone.
Speaker 39:48 Let me see. Why don't you buy one? I was just- [laughs]
David Imel 39:50 I have one. I have one.
Speaker 39:51 Yeah, we do have one.
David Imel 39:52 [laughs] I do have one.
Speaker 39:53 Yeah, it's not bad looking.
David Imel 39:55 It's nice.
Speaker 39:55 It's not bad looking. There's a reason that Motorola's, um, been getting more popular in the United States. Well, I, for one, want the IKEA phone. Wait, Minimal Phone 2.
David Imel 40:08 If you make something look like Teenage Engineering made it, you will make it desirable.
Speaker 40:12 Yeah. That's true. That's all you need to do.
David Imel 40:14 I w- I won't rant about it, because I do love this, that, this series of phones too much, but Minimal Phone 2-
Speaker 40:19 Yeah
David Imel 40:20 ... does solve a lot of your complaints.
Speaker 40:21 They just have a silhouette, though. They don't show what it looks like. But, yeah, all you can see is that it has a keyboard on it.
David Imel 40:25 It doesn't matter. They're bringing it back.
Speaker 40:26 [laughs] It doesn't matter.
David Imel 40:27 That's all that matters. Minimal Phone 1 was so much fun to use for that month.
Speaker 40:31 Wasn't that the, where you, like, absolutely break down by the end of the video?
David Imel 40:36 No. No, no, no, I was doing great. I think-
Speaker 40:38 Right
David Imel 40:38 ... I was a little-
Speaker 40:38 You looked like you were in a therapy session by the end of it. [laughs]
David Imel 40:41 That is true. But that was, that was-
Speaker 40:43 Great
David Imel 40:43 ... the only reason that that phone was unsustainable was because of the lock scle- the lock screen glitch, where it would constantly die because-
Speaker 40:51 Mm
David Imel 40:51 ... it kept trying to unlock in my pocket. But assuming they fixed that in version two, I would easily switch back.
Speaker 40:57 We'll see.
David Imel 40:58 Especially if it has RCS support.
Speaker 41:00 That'd be sweet.
David Imel 41:00 Anyway, you know what doesn't have RCS support?
Speaker 41:03 The Minimal Phone 3.
David Imel 41:04 The Minimal Phone 3.
Speaker 41:05 'Cause it doesn't exist. We added RCS to Trivia.
David Imel 41:08 Oh, we did?
Speaker 41:08 Yeah.
David Imel 41:09 Stick or react to this.
Speaker 41:10 Mm-hmm.
David Imel 41:10 [laughs]
Speaker 41:11 I could do that. With the sloth. Trivia time. Trivia time. Zero, zero, zero.
David Imel 41:16 Zero, zero, zero.
Speaker 41:16 Fresh slate.
David Imel 41:17 Guys, if you haven't watched Trivia Extravaganza, I won't spoil it. However, despite, like, 800 points being given out-
Speaker 41:24 [laughs]
David Imel 41:24 ... in the, over the course of that episode, the final score was down to a mere eight-point difference. It was a serious-
Speaker 41:31 Yeah
David Imel 41:31 ... nail-biter. But today, resetting, season 6000. First question. After the break, we're gonna talk about the new Samsung foldables.
Speaker 41:41 Mm-hmm.
David Imel 41:42 So this is a foldable... No, it's not actually a fo- it's not a foldables question. But everyone is acting like they invented the passport-style foldable these days. However-
Speaker 41:52 I did. [laughs]
David Imel 41:54 Which handset manufacturer, which phone company, committed to the form factor so hard they actually named a phone the Passport in 2014?
Speaker 42:04 Light Phone.
David Imel 42:05 It was discontinued in 2016.
Speaker 42:07 Data Rams.
David Imel 42:08 Excuse me, it wasn't discontinued. It w- they ended production in 2016.
Speaker 42:11 2014?
David Imel 42:12 2014 to 2016 it was in production. It was called the Passport. Who made it?
Speaker 42:17 Was it actually foldable?
David Imel 42:18 It was not a f- it was just 2014.
Speaker 42:19 [laughs] I feel like I reviewed this. I-
David Imel 42:22 Yeah.
Speaker 42:22 Yeah, I-
David Imel 42:23 Yeah.
Speaker 42:23 Oh. I just don't remember.
David Imel 42:24 When I just assume I know right off the bat-
Speaker 42:25 I thought it was older
David Imel 42:26 ... I'm like, both of them are know-
Speaker 42:27 Yeah. I thought it was older than that.
David Imel 42:29 We'll see. 2014.
Speaker 42:31 Okay.
David Imel 42:31 The blank Passport.
Speaker 42:32 Honda. [laughs]
David Imel 42:34 [laughs]
Speaker 42:35 Anyway, the real answer will be at the end after the break. We'll be right back. [upbeat music]
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Samsung Unpacked
Speaker 43:53 We gotta talk about Samsung Unpacked. That was this week. It's actually, it's Wednesday. We're recording it literally right after watching that hour and a half of, uh, something.
Speaker 44:03 Cringe.
Speaker 44:03 Um [laughs] , yeah, a lot of vertical AI-generated ads in that-
Andrew Manganelli 44:08 That was so weird
Speaker 44:09 ... keynote-
Speaker 44:09 Yeah
Speaker 44:09 ... for some reason.
Speaker 44:10 Guinea pigs.
Speaker 44:10 Kinda strange. Uh, but they did unveil two watches, three phones, and some glasses, so we can talk about all of that. Like I said, a lot of gadgets.
Speaker 44:18 Yeah.
Speaker 44:19 Uh, let's start real quick with the, I think the simplest stuff.
Speaker 44:23 Yeah.
Speaker 44:24 There's two new watches.
Speaker 44:26 Okay.
Speaker 44:26 There's a Galaxy Watch 9 and a Galaxy Watch Ultra 2. Uh, they get updated specs. There's a 5,000-nit display on the Ultra 2. They're, like, generally better overall, and they're also still, I think, 350 or 360.
Andrew Manganelli 44:39 379.
Speaker 44:39 379.
Speaker 44:40 And-
Andrew Manganelli 44:40 And 699
Speaker 44:41 ... 699. Yeah. So that's great. Uh, there's also a new Flip. The new Flip 8 is slightly thinner. It's got a slightly brighter screen, a little bit more functionality on the cover screen, and it is still $1,000.
Andrew Manganelli 44:54 As the, as the new titanium-
Speaker 44:56 Titanium hinge
Andrew Manganelli 44:57 ... titanium whatever.
Speaker 44:57 Yeah, so the titanium-
Andrew Manganelli 44:58 The Titanium Flex.
Speaker 44:58 They did up the price by $100.
Speaker 45:00 Yeah. Oh, it's 1,100, right?
Speaker 45:02 Yeah.
Speaker 45:02 Yeah. And it's-
Andrew Manganelli 45:02 It also is back to a Snapdragon chip after last year being Exynos only.
Speaker 45:06 Oh, I forgot about that. Yeah, that's the Snapdragon 8 Elite Gen 5.
Andrew Manganelli 45:09 Mm-hmm.
Speaker 45:10 So that's good. And then we got two new big Folds, and what they did was kind of interesting. They have a new Fold 8. As you're picturing it, a candy bar style. Then they just added the word Ultra to the end of the name and updated the specs and the Titanium Flex Hinge and everything, and this is the new big Fold, is what I'm calling it. Uh, Snapdragon 8 Elite Gen 5, 5,000 milliampere-hour battery, slightly less, uh, hinge, or slightly less crease. Not zero crease, but slightly less crease.
Speaker 45:39 Slightly less.
Speaker 45:40 There's an anti-reflective coating on the inside screen.
Andrew Manganelli 45:42 Oh, oh, wait, no, sorry. That's the new one.
Speaker 45:44 Um, yeah. It's $2,100, and it is starting at 256 gigs, so it's 100 bucks more than last year. And then they introduced a new Fold 8 that is underneath that. So it is taking the name of the previous phone, but it is now this, like, short, wide, passport-shaped, squat one. I'm holding it right here for video users so you can see what I'm talking about. This is the Fold 8. And, okay, this one is interesting to actually talk about. I really like this one.
Speaker 46:14 Yeah.
Speaker 46:14 And I was, I was curious to see if other people who had got their hands on it liked it as much as I do as well. There's a couple reasons why I really like it.
Andrew Manganelli 46:20 Adam is chomping at the bit [laughs] .
Speaker 46:22 Adam really likes it. Adam really wants to use it.
Speaker 46:24 I like it a lot.
Speaker 46:25 So here's a couple interesting things about this. One, uh, it is smaller, of course, right? It is a small... What is it, a f- what'd you say, 5.5 inch outside screen?
Speaker 46:33 It's 5.5 inch, uh, on the outside, yeah.
Speaker 46:35 And it's a, like, 16 by-
Speaker 46:37 10
Speaker 46:38 ... 11 or 16 by 10-
Speaker 46:39 Yeah, 16 by 10
Speaker 46:39 ... aspect ratio on the outside.
Speaker 46:40 Yep.
Speaker 46:40 So it's this little s- not quite square, but it's kinda square-ish display, right?
Speaker 46:44 Yep, rectangle.
Speaker 46:45 Then when you open it, it becomes a 7.6-inch 4x3 display.
Speaker 46:50 4x3, baby.
Speaker 46:52 4x3 is nice. That's a nice aspect ratio-
Speaker 46:53 You'll love it
Speaker 46:54 ... for reading when it's vertical. Uh, for, you know, media is okay on it, but for looking at your pictures and stuff, it's nice.
Speaker 47:00 Medium format camera sensors are 4x3.
Speaker 47:02 A lot of photos you take are 4x3.
Speaker 47:04 Mm-hmm.
Speaker 47:05 And then it's really thin and light. This is the other thing that I found interesting about it. It's 201 grams. That's only, like, 8 more grams than a regular S26 Plus.
Speaker 47:16 Mm-hmm.
Speaker 47:17 So it feels like the same weight as a regular slab phone, but it is a totally different shape.
Speaker 47:22 I guarantee you Adam's on the pre-order page right now. [laughs]
Andrew Manganelli 47:25 He's opened it and closed it, like, four times this morning.
Speaker 47:27 You're on the checkout cart.
Speaker 47:28 I have, like, six tabs open. I'm trying.
Speaker 47:31 [laughs] It's got dual cameras on the back, so only two. It's a 50 megapixel primary instead of the 200, and a 50 megapixel ultra wide, and it's a 4,800 milliampere-hour battery. So it's just, it's a little bit less phone than the Ultra.
Speaker 47:44 Yeah.
Speaker 47:44 The Ultra didn't, like, get any new functionality to deserve the Ultra name. They just-
Andrew Manganelli 47:48 What do you mean? It got the Ultra camera.
Speaker 47:49 [laughs] It had-
Andrew Manganelli 47:50 In the back
Speaker 47:50 ... it had that camera last year. [laughs]
Andrew Manganelli 47:52 I know.
Speaker 47:52 So it's just, like, whatever. They just decided to add the name Ultra, and it's more of a positioning thing to, like, slot this in underneath.
Speaker 47:58 Yeah.
Speaker 47:59 We all think Apple's also gonna make a passport-shaped Fold later this year, so maybe that was a little clever, uh, positioning on their part, but-
Speaker 48:06 Yeah
Speaker 48:06 ... I really like this size.
Andrew Manganelli 48:08 Wait, before we get into that.
Speaker 48:09 Yeah.
Speaker 48:09 Yeah.
Andrew Manganelli 48:09 Can we talk about how stupid the Ultra naming... Like, normally, when we get a Pro or Ultra or something, it's 'cause we get something.
Speaker 48:18 Yeah.
Andrew Manganelli 48:18 This is just naming it so it can slide something underneath it.
Speaker 48:21 Yep.
Speaker 48:21 Yeah.
Speaker 48:22 Exactly.
Andrew Manganelli 48:22 That sucks.
Speaker 48:23 Yep.
Speaker 48:24 Yeah.
Speaker 48:24 It's just-
Andrew Manganelli 48:24 That's really annoying.
Speaker 48:25 They should've just called it, like, the Fold Plus.
Speaker 48:27 I think the Fold-
Speaker 48:27 And the Fold 2
Speaker 48:28 ... W, wide, or, like-
Speaker 48:30 Yeah
Speaker 48:30 ... remember when the-
Speaker 48:30 Or this could be Fold Wide, yeah
Speaker 48:31 ... remember when the, the Edge came out? This-
Speaker 48:33 Yeah
Speaker 48:33 ... this, like, super thin phone? That made sense because it was just, like, a, an you add that to the end of the name to signify-
Speaker 48:39 Right
Speaker 48:39 ... that it's a s- certain type of phone.
Speaker 48:41 Mm-hmm.
Speaker 48:41 This could be the Fold Wide or the Fold Edge or something.
Speaker 48:45 And they are kind of putting themselves in a corner, because if you remember correctly, Google originally made a short, wide foldable as their first foldable as well.
Speaker 48:53 Yeah.
Speaker 48:53 And then they eventually just gave in to the rest of the market, and they made a tall one again.
Speaker 48:57 Mm-hmm.
Speaker 48:57 And if Apple maybe starts with the passport style but then decides later that they wanna go to the tall one, then Samsung's kinda stuck with the Ultra and the normal.
Speaker 49:07 Yeah, which is fine.
Speaker 49:08 Which is fine.
Speaker 49:08 They're, they're a company that seems perfectly content to make 1,000 different phones.
Speaker 49:12 That's true.
Speaker 49:13 Um-
Speaker 49:13 Yeah
Speaker 49:13 ... but yeah, for now, this is the one that takes the mantle of just this is the Fold 8 by name.
Speaker 49:18 Yeah.
Speaker 49:19 Now, it's $1,900. That's the biggest beef that I have with it personally.
Speaker 49:24 And starts at 256 gigs of storage.
Speaker 49:26 That is also true.
Speaker 49:27 Yeah.
Speaker 49:27 Uh, but everything else about holding it and using it is, I think, surprisingly nice. Uh, again, less crease on the inside, so if you look at the hands-on video that we published on Wednesday, you'll see that there's less crease. Uh, it's not zero crease, but it is noticeably nicer. It's a brighter inside screen. This is 3,000 nits instead of, wow, instead of 5,000.
Andrew Manganelli 49:49 Aw.
Speaker 49:50 I didn't drop it. I didn't drop it. You almost dropped it. Um, it's got almost even bezels all the way around on the front instead of-
Andrew Manganelli 49:56 What do you mean?
Speaker 49:56 ... having kinda like an extra bezel on the side.
Andrew Manganelli 49:58 You can see.
Speaker 49:58 Yeah. Yeah. It's, it's just nice. Yeah. It's nice to hold. So there's a few pretty major quality-of-life improvements that they added to both this one and the Ultra. One is the flex titanium display, which is what gets rid of that crease. It also makes the display components a little bit thinner. We talked about that before. It uses a, a lu- a titanium alloy underneath the OLED panel, and then a titanium plate that has tighter bonding. Mm-hmm. All that really means is that the screen be, can be thinner, so they can shave off some millimeters. It also uses less power, uh, because there's less layers of display, so they don't have to, it doesn't get diffused as much. Other m- major changes are, are though, they charge at 45 watts now because this is the first time-
Andrew Manganelli 50:38 First time
Speaker 50:38 ... Samsung has finally, finally started doing silicon carbon. Uh, however, [laughs] in our briefing, everyone was like, "So it's silicon carbon, right?" And Samsung was like, "We are using, we are beginning to use silicon in our batteries." And everyone's like- Yeah ... "So it's silicon carbon." They were like, "We're experimenting with using a bit of silicon." It's weird. It's almost like they didn't want us to say it or un- or think about it as a silicon carbon battery. Yeah. They're like, "It's still a lithium-ion battery."
Andrew Manganelli 51:07 We should title-
Speaker 51:07 Yeah
Andrew Manganelli 51:07 ... this podcast episode Samsung Switches to Silicon Carbon. [laughs]
Speaker 51:10 [laughs] That's so silly. It's strange. It's like- Yeah ... look, they get some benefit out of it. They get higher density, so they get a 5,000 milliampere battery on the big Fold, and 4,800 on this one. And it's- Which is pretty awesome for that one. Yeah. I feel like this one- Smaller ... is gonna be the battery king 'cause it's, like, way less screen. Less outside screen. Yeah. 4,800, that's pretty nice. Pretty nice. It also is the first time they've bumped up charging speed. Yeah. So- 45 watt ... 45 watt charging and 20 watt wireless charging. Yeah. So they're getting some of the benefits of s- what we've seen from all these silicon carbon batteries. But it's not... Like, I'm holding in my other hand- Yeah ... for audio listeners, the OnePlus 15, which is a 7,000 milliampere battery- Yeah ... with, like, 90 watt charging. And it's not full. RFP. [laughs]
Andrew Manganelli 51:48 RFP.
Speaker 51:48 RFP. And so it's like these other companies are using way more silicon in the anode- Yeah ... from my understanding. Mm-hmm. And they're being much more aggressive with it. But potentially, as we saw in our video, also dealing with more risks, potential swelling, other things that could go wrong in the long-term future. We don't know. Samsung, extremely conservative in that department, but they're using a little bit more silicon- For a reason ... and delivering respectable battery, we think. Yeah. Samsung just has PTSD because the Note 7 kept exploding, and because, uh, all Samsung phones, if you don't charge them over a certain period of time, the batteries just pop out the back. Yeah.
Andrew Manganelli 52:22 Right, they clearly have the worst battery issues.
Speaker 52:23 It's every Samsung phone, I swear. It's, like, only... Yeah. Anyway. Yeah. It's not only Samsung phones, but it's, it's every Samsung phone. So we'll see- Okay ... how that, we'll see how it ages in the long-term.
Andrew Manganelli 52:32 Wait, what is it? It's not every phone that swells is a Samsung, but every Samsung phone swells. [laughs]
Speaker 52:38 That swells. [laughs] Yeah, exactly. Yeah. Exactly. Um, yeah, so no Qi2 because they didn't wanna put the magnets in the back because they needed to keep it thin, they say. However, Qi2 ready, baby. Mm-hmm.
Andrew Manganelli 52:51 Yep.
Speaker 52:52 Uh, which if you remember, means that- I hate this so much ... there will be magnetic cases that allow for Qi2 compatibility. Or you just need to put a sticker on the back, like a pleb. Yeah, like a pleb.
Andrew Manganelli 53:03 Just like the OnePlus.
Speaker 53:04 Just like every other phone, honestly. Yeah, just like every other phone. Yeah. So, um, there are a few kinda interesting updates to the software. Uh, on the Ultra- Yeah ... and I think on this one as well, there's that Gemini automated tasks thing that they introduced last year, where Gemini can basically just, like, order DoorDash for you and stuff like that. And on the Pixel, when they were having it on the Pixel last year, you can just see it tapping all the buttons for you. That's crazy. On this one, it will do that, but it'll do it in a small window, so you can see it happening, but you can do other stuff while it's doing that. Yeah. Which is nice, I suppose. It's, like, very strange.
Andrew Manganelli 53:38 Picture-in-picture-
Speaker 53:40 Picture-in-picture
Andrew Manganelli 53:40 ... automation.
Speaker 53:41 Yeah. Um, there's also a new Now Nudge feature on the Flip, where if you don't know what Now Nudge was, which I don't blame you-
Andrew Manganelli 53:50 I think it's on all of them
Speaker 53:51 ... for thousand product names.
Andrew Manganelli 53:52 No?
Speaker 53:52 It's on all of them, but the Flip is the one where it's, like, the most prominent. Uh, it's this little pill that'll, like, kinda come in when it thinks that you can do something interesting. So for example, on these phones, when someone texts you and say, it says, and you have it open, someone texts you and say, "What's your calendar like next week?" What does your calendar look like next week? A little thing will, like, float in from the side, and if you tap it, it'll open your calendar in split screen. So you just, like, quickly- Yeah ... see. And I think that's kinda cool. Split screen is nice.
Andrew Manganelli 54:20 That's great. Magic Q, but outside of it.
Speaker 54:22 Rebranded.
Andrew Manganelli 54:23 And not only in messages, right?
Speaker 54:24 Yes.
Andrew Manganelli 54:24 Like, it's, it's a little more-
Speaker 54:26 Multiple things
Andrew Manganelli 54:26 ... inside the software.
Speaker 54:27 Yeah. Uh, and on the Flip, they now have these, like, generative UI Now Nudge cards, which is interesting-
Andrew Manganelli 54:36 Mm-hmm
Speaker 54:36 ... uh, for Now Brief and stuff like that, where you can say to it, like, "I wanna know what the pollen levels are like every morning." And then it'll create, it'll, like, generate a UI for a little card-
Andrew Manganelli 54:48 Card
Speaker 54:48 ... that every morning will tell you what the pollen levels are gonna be like. How well this works, I don't know. It seemed like it was pretty on the rails. They only had, like, three categories for it. They had weather, videos, which I think is just, like, the YouTube video updates. Nice. And what was the last one? Like, cal- oh, health. Health. So I'm assuming it'll, like, you can say, "Tell me what my average heart rate was every morning," or something like that.
Andrew Manganelli 55:11 Mm-hmm.
Speaker 55:11 Or, "How did I sleep?" Something like that.
Andrew Manganelli 55:12 You need one that's like, "Tell me if it's going to rain for only more than two hours today."
Speaker 55:17 [laughs] Right.
Andrew Manganelli 55:18 And in the future, not in the-
Speaker 55:20 Honestly, may try that on the Flip.
Andrew Manganelli 55:22 [laughs]
Speaker 55:22 May try that on the Flip just to see if it works. Um, yeah. Google famously likes to announce things at Samsung events, and they liked, they announced quite a few things at this event, too, so. Yeah, I feel like we see Rick Osterloh at events for other companies- More ... more than Google companies. [laughs] For sure. I mean, at the Pixel event last year, they did all of the AI testing on an S25 Ultra or whatever, right? So- Yep ... 'cause it wasn't working [laughs] on the Pixel, which is very ironic. Um- We did have one other really big announcement
Speaker 55:55 What is that?
Andrew Manganelli 55:56 Samsung Galaxy Card.
Speaker 55:58 Oh, yeah.
Speaker 55:58 Oh, yeah.
Speaker 55:58 We gotta talk about that.
Andrew Manganelli 55:59 [laughs] I, I don't really need to talk about it-
Speaker 56:01 Dude
Andrew Manganelli 56:01 ... but it's there.
Speaker 56:02 We need to talk about it.
Speaker 56:03 We don't need to talk about it.
Speaker 56:03 They made a credit card.
Andrew Manganelli 56:04 They made a credit card.
Speaker 56:05 Just like the Apple Card.
Speaker 56:06 Yeah, just like the Apple Card.
Andrew Manganelli 56:06 Seems like slightly better cash pr- cash rewards.
Speaker 56:10 A couple extra percent.
Speaker 56:10 [beep] that.
Andrew Manganelli 56:12 [laughs]
Speaker 56:12 It has stablecoin now.
Andrew Manganelli 56:14 Oh, boy. Yeah.
Speaker 56:14 Yeah, it's your, it's your wallet for all the things.
Andrew Manganelli 56:17 Stablecoin. I am wondering, it does say 5% cash rewards on eligible purchases made directly with Samsung. But if you really Samsung your life, think about how much more there is than Apple. Like, refrigerator, washer, dryer. Like, Samsung can make your whole house, essentially.
Speaker 56:32 For sure.
Andrew Manganelli 56:32 And if you get 5% cash back on-
Speaker 56:34 Yeah
Andrew Manganelli 56:34 ... all of that ... Probably can't, but-
Speaker 56:38 If you're building or-
Andrew Manganelli 56:38 But
Speaker 56:38 ... buying a house and you plan on buying all Samsung appliances-
Andrew Manganelli 56:42 [laughs]
Speaker 56:42 ... then I guess you could get the card itself.
Speaker 56:44 Get yourself a Galaxy Card.
Speaker 56:45 Yeah.
Andrew Manganelli 56:46 I didn't think about that. That's actually a good point. [laughs]
Speaker 56:48 Yeah.
Andrew Manganelli 56:48 It also, I think-
Speaker 56:49 If you're building a studio.
David Imel 56:50 [laughs]
Andrew Manganelli 56:51 I think one of the main things here is it's 3% cash rewards on purchases made on Samsung-
Speaker 56:55 On Samsung Pay
Andrew Manganelli 56:56 ... Wallet.
Speaker 56:56 Yeah.
Andrew Manganelli 56:56 So I think it, it might be a way to be like, "We want people using Samsung Wallet-
Speaker 57:01 Yeah
Andrew Manganelli 57:02 ... even more."
Speaker 57:02 'Cause that's, like, 1% better than most cards. Anyway, we're not a, we're not a finance podcast.
Andrew Manganelli 57:06 Mm-mm.
Speaker 57:07 Yeah.
Speaker 57:07 Um, this is not financial advice.
Andrew Manganelli 57:08 Yet.
Speaker 57:09 The last thing we have to talk about specifically that we didn't ex- really see coming, because they didn't show this at our briefings, is that, of course, they used Samsung Unpacked as an opportunity to actually show off the Gemini glasses with Gentle Monster and Warby Parker.
Andrew Manganelli 57:26 Mm-hmm.
Speaker 57:26 They do actually look pretty good, I will have to say. Um-
Andrew Manganelli 57:31 And by show off, you mean they showed them and then turned off the screen before showing any actual-
Speaker 57:35 Yeah
Andrew Manganelli 57:35 ... specs or information about them?
Speaker 57:37 Once again.
Andrew Manganelli 57:37 [laughs]
Speaker 57:38 I feel like they announced these, like, three years ago, and they announced this integration, or this, uh, partnership with Warby Parker and Gentle Monster, and then they just, like, won't let you see how they work or-
Speaker 57:48 They-
Speaker 57:48 ... anything about them
Speaker 57:48 ... did show something that had Ellis and I kind of, like, curious. But they didn't say anything about it, which is that it looked like there's a switch on the glasses.
Speaker 57:56 Yeah, there's a little switch.
Speaker 57:57 That would be useful-
Speaker 57:58 On the inside
Speaker 57:58 ... to, like, it, like, turn off the camera or turn on the camera.
Andrew Manganelli 58:01 That's kind of interesting.
Speaker 58:01 It's probably just to turn the glasses on and off, but if it's to, if it's literally a camera power switch, that would be amazing.
Speaker 58:08 That would be awesome.
Andrew Manganelli 58:09 Well, or a physical slide in it.
Speaker 58:11 Yeah.
Andrew Manganelli 58:11 Like, that would solve-
Speaker 58:12 That'd be better
Andrew Manganelli 58:12 ... the majority of the issues of, like, allowing these into places if they're your regular glasses-
Speaker 58:16 Yeah
Andrew Manganelli 58:17 ... is-
Speaker 58:17 Wow
Andrew Manganelli 58:17 ... I have to see you turn the physical slide on.
Speaker 58:19 Yeah.
Speaker 58:19 Ellis and I looked at each other like-
Speaker 58:20 Turn back on
Speaker 58:20 ... "Ooh, a switch, you say."
Speaker 58:22 Yeah.
Speaker 58:23 Interesting.
Speaker 58:23 So they showed them off at the event to, uh, reporters that were there, but they wouldn't let them put them on, which is a giant red flag.
Speaker 58:31 Huge, rippling in the wind, massive red flag.
Speaker 58:34 And by the way, these don't have a screen, so they couldn't even put them on. Like, they, they didn't even say, like, you can't turn them on. They said you can't put them on your face, which is crazy. So I don't know.
Speaker 58:46 It's a wearable, but just don't wear it.
Speaker 58:48 Right.
Speaker 58:48 [laughs]
Speaker 58:49 They said we'll know more in the fall, but I feel like we've been waiting over and over and over again for actual details about these, but here we are.
Speaker 58:58 They're competing, they're competing for the most re-announced product in, in history.
Speaker 59:01 Yeah.
Speaker 59:02 With the Tesla Roadster and Apple Intelligence.
Speaker 59:04 That's true. [laughs]
David Imel 59:05 But I can't ... Did, did we see the Google Meet thing before? I feel like that was not that I-
Speaker 59:09 So I thought, I thought that was at IO when they got on stage-
David Imel 59:12 Okay
Speaker 59:12 ... and they, like, they had a lot ... Like, Giannis was ... So they, they did some demo on IO where they-
David Imel 59:17 Okay
Speaker 59:17 ... went on stage and the camera was on, and-
David Imel 59:19 Okay
Speaker 59:19 ... I think it was a meeting. Um, but if not, then maybe it's a new thing, where, like, you can be in a Goo-
David Imel 59:24 Be in a Google
Speaker 59:24 ... Yeah, like, you can be in a Google meeting with your glasses and just your glasses. So your phone's in your pocket, it's joined, and they see what you see.
David Imel 59:32 Oh.
Andrew Manganelli 59:33 Yeah, I'm, I've-
David Imel 59:34 I misinterpreted that. I thought it was-
Andrew Manganelli 59:36 You seemed really pumped by it, and I kept being like, "Why?"
David Imel 59:38 I don't know. I wasn't pumped by it-
Andrew Manganelli 59:40 Okay
David Imel 59:40 ... but it just seemed like the only new thing.
Andrew Manganelli 59:41 Okay.
David Imel 59:41 But I interpreted it as you have a meeting up on your computer, and you can toggle the glasses as a webcam.
Speaker 59:47 Or on the phone.
Andrew Manganelli 59:48 You probably could do it on either.
Speaker 59:50 Yeah.
Speaker 59:51 That, yeah, you could probably do that.
Andrew Manganelli 59:52 I, for me, like, in a m- in a meet, I almost never ... I would always want it facing my face, I feel like.
Speaker 59:59 Usually.
Andrew Manganelli 59:59 But I guess not most of-
Speaker 1:00:00 But maybe-
Andrew Manganelli 1:00:00 Yeah
Speaker 1:00:01 ... PO view.
Andrew Manganelli 1:00:01 I guess I was thinking of it as phone, like, I'd rather just switch the camera around on my phone than-
David Imel 1:00:05 You don't think they're preparing-
Andrew Manganelli 1:00:06 ... than like, "Hey, David, check this out." [laughs]
Speaker 1:00:09 [laughs]
Andrew Manganelli 1:00:10 "How'd that look?" [laughs]
David Imel 1:00:11 You don't think they're preparing for the future when AI tokens are too expensive? Like, I feel like when these smart glasses first happening, the AI glasses, the, the demo we'd always get is like, "Oh, my wife needs me to get me a ... What do you get a zucchini for? I don't know what a zucchini is."
Andrew Manganelli 1:00:25 [laughs]
David Imel 1:00:25 Now you can just Google Meet your wife directly-
Andrew Manganelli 1:00:28 Oh
David Imel 1:00:28 ... and be like, "Is this a zucchini?"
Speaker 1:00:30 Damn, that's good.
Speaker 1:00:31 Yeah. Instead of having Gemini just looking at it and saying, "What is this?" [laughs]
David Imel 1:00:35 Yeah.
Speaker 1:00:35 "Is this a zucchini?"
Andrew Manganelli 1:00:36 That can-
David Imel 1:00:37 Yeah
Andrew Manganelli 1:00:37 ... take that one step further when Claire's just in the living room, and I'm in the pantry.
David Imel 1:00:41 Yeah.
Andrew Manganelli 1:00:41 I'm like, "I swore we had those-
David Imel 1:00:42 No, no, no
Andrew Manganelli 1:00:42 ... chickpeas." And she's like-
Speaker 1:00:44 Did you look-
Andrew Manganelli 1:00:45 She's like, "They're right there."
David Imel 1:00:46 The good people-
Andrew Manganelli 1:00:46 I ... You're looking at them. [laughs]
Speaker 1:00:47 You're looking directly at them. Look up.
David Imel 1:00:49 The good people at Samsung have re- re-engineered being useless back to first principles, and it's, you know, I think it's just great.
Speaker 1:00:56 Yeah. So the pricing on pretty much all these are, like, $100 more than they were last year, um-
Speaker 1:01:02 The phones
Speaker 1:01:02 ... which considering ... On the phone, sorry. Which considering, uh, I don't wanna, you know, I don't wanna be too friendly, but considering Ramageddon, I was expect ... And, and them, like, renaming it to the Ultra-
Andrew Manganelli 1:01:16 Mm-hmm
Speaker 1:01:16 ... I was expecting it to be, like, at least 150 or 200 more expensive. Um, you do still get the same storage, and to be honest, for an Ultra phone, foldable, costing 2,100 bucks, 256 is not a lot of storage, and that kinda sucks. But, uh, you know, I did expect it to be worse. That's all I have to say. [laughs]
Andrew Manganelli 1:01:36 I wonder if they can-
Speaker 1:01:36 So-
Andrew Manganelli 1:01:36 ... get that much worse when you're already at such a high price point.
Speaker 1:01:39 I mean, they could.
Andrew Manganelli 1:01:40 You're not wrong.
Speaker 1:01:41 It can always get worse.
Andrew Manganelli 1:01:42 It can always get worse.
Speaker 1:01:43 Uh-
Andrew Manganelli 1:01:43 It will
Speaker 1:01:43 ... Apple's will probably be 2,600 is my guess.
Andrew Manganelli 1:01:46 Yeah, that's-
Speaker 1:01:46 But it'll start at 512 gigs of storage. That's my guess.
Speaker 1:01:49 I was gonna say, my, my two thoughts that I keep having on this, uh, small Fold, the Fold 8, uh, one is- It does feel like this is for a more casual user. Like, the, they kept talking about the, the Fold, the Fold 8 Ultra as, like, the productivity phone.
David Imel 1:02:05 Yeah.
Speaker 1:02:05 Like, this is two phones next to each other, basically, when you open it up, and, like, have two apps side by side, do all this productivity stuff. It's got the most battery, triple cameras, all this stuff. Okay, great. This phone is a little more casual than that. It's still more of a phone than a regular phone, but it's a little more media, a little more, like, looking at your photos, photo editing if you want.
David Imel 1:02:27 Yeah.
Speaker 1:02:27 Um, a little bit less of, like, the multitasking, productivity stuff.
Andrew Manganelli 1:02:30 It was weird how they positioned it.
David Imel 1:02:32 Mm-hmm.
Andrew Manganelli 1:02:32 I think they said something like, "It's the size for the everyday person." And I was like-
Speaker 1:02:38 Yeah
Andrew Manganelli 1:02:38 ... you just did the $2,100 and that's not, I guess.
Speaker 1:02:43 Yeah. I guess the-
Andrew Manganelli 1:02:44 I don't know
Speaker 1:02:44 ... I'm thi- I'm thinking of the Fold 8 Ultra as, like, the power user enthusiast, I'm gonna spend $2,000 on this phone and, like, use the crap out of it, and, like, multitask, email, all this stuff on my phone.
David Imel 1:02:55 Don't they have the same chips?
Speaker 1:02:56 They do, but this is way less screen. Not way less, but this is-
Andrew Manganelli 1:03:00 Not even
Speaker 1:03:00 ... less screen.
David Imel 1:03:01 Okay, wait. I have a question.
Speaker 1:03:02 Yeah.
David Imel 1:03:02 Does this one have APV recording?
Andrew Manganelli 1:03:05 Let me check.
Speaker 1:03:06 Yeah, it does.
David Imel 1:03:06 It does.
Speaker 1:03:07 Mm-hmm.
David Imel 1:03:07 In the camera.
Speaker 1:03:07 It probably does.
David Imel 1:03:08 Yeah.
Speaker 1:03:08 It's a different camera, though.
David Imel 1:03:09 So it's literally just smaller.
Speaker 1:03:10 Yeah, with one less camera.
David Imel 1:03:12 Yeah.
Speaker 1:03:13 I guess.
Andrew Manganelli 1:03:13 Does it have a... It has an ultra camera?
Speaker 1:03:14 The telephoto camera makes something ultra, apparently.
David Imel 1:03:17 Mm-hmm.
Speaker 1:03:18 Yeah.
Andrew Manganelli 1:03:18 It is... We basically got confirmation that the three cameras confirms Ultra now, because they called it the ultra camera.
David Imel 1:03:25 Mm.
Speaker 1:03:25 Yeah.
Andrew Manganelli 1:03:25 Because it was three [laughs] cameras I think.
Speaker 1:03:27 Yeah. Okay. I have a hot take, too. I have a hot take.
Andrew Manganelli 1:03:30 Okay.
Speaker 1:03:30 Um, they position this as, like, being the media consumption device, whereas the Ultra, they were, like, the work device, you know, the productivity device.
Andrew Manganelli 1:03:37 Right.
Speaker 1:03:38 Nobody is doing productivity on their phone.
Andrew Manganelli 1:03:40 I kinda did that.
Speaker 1:03:41 With two screen?
Andrew Manganelli 1:03:42 Oh, I-
Speaker 1:03:42 Do you, do you... Are you-
David Imel 1:03:43 Whoa, whoa, whoa.
Speaker 1:03:43 Okay. How often do you use the split screen-
Andrew Manganelli 1:03:46 On-
Speaker 1:03:47 ... on foldable?
Andrew Manganelli 1:03:47 On the big Fold?
Speaker 1:03:48 Yeah.
Andrew Manganelli 1:03:48 [sighs]
Speaker 1:03:51 Yeah.
Andrew Manganelli 1:03:51 I mean, back when I was building it-
Speaker 1:03:52 This is what I would say
Andrew Manganelli 1:03:53 ... I would have, like, one use case that I would do.
Speaker 1:03:55 Uh-huh.
Andrew Manganelli 1:03:55 Which was I would have email and notes next to each other, or email and tasks next to each other, and I would occasionally-
Speaker 1:04:00 Wasn't that hard to type on the email if you had to be on, like, half of the-
Andrew Manganelli 1:04:03 Well, I'm going back and forth, but yeah, it is usually annoying.
Speaker 1:04:06 Yeah.
Andrew Manganelli 1:04:06 It's, it's still kind of a small [laughs] screen to be doing all of this.
David Imel 1:04:09 I think, ultimately, most people do mostly consumption. And like y- you said, Andrew, like, email is not... I don't know. Email is, like, neither productivity nor... It is technically productivity, but it's like, it's an email.
Andrew Manganelli 1:04:23 It's necessity. Yeah. It's just-
David Imel 1:04:24 It's email.
Speaker 1:04:25 Yeah.
David Imel 1:04:26 It's just email. [laughs]
Andrew Manganelli 1:04:27 I would almost argue-
David Imel 1:04:27 I don't know
Andrew Manganelli 1:04:28 ... I think productivity in split screen would work better in this squat, wider version. 'Cause f- first of all, it's 16 by 10, right?
Speaker 1:04:35 Yeah.
Andrew Manganelli 1:04:35 Isn't that the aspect ratio of almost every laptop, like, in existence?
Speaker 1:04:38 Yeah.
David Imel 1:04:39 When it's closed.
Speaker 1:04:39 Mm-hmm. Yeah.
Andrew Manganelli 1:04:40 Uh, no, when it's open.
David Imel 1:04:41 Four by three when it's open.
Speaker 1:04:41 Four by three when it's open.
Andrew Manganelli 1:04:42 Oh.
Speaker 1:04:43 Yeah.
David Imel 1:04:43 16 by 10 when it's closed.
Speaker 1:04:44 Yeah.
Andrew Manganelli 1:04:44 I'm an idiot, then. Cool.
Speaker 1:04:46 [laughs]
Andrew Manganelli 1:04:46 Anyway, I- Uh, but most of the time, I'd rather have width on separate windows than height.
Speaker 1:04:50 Yes.
Andrew Manganelli 1:04:50 Height doesn't give me a lot of extra information on the thing I'm doing right then, unless... I'm sure there's coders out there, but I [laughs] don't think anyone's coding on th- this.
Speaker 1:04:58 Yeah. Yeah, so-
David Imel 1:04:59 You're not vibe coding
Speaker 1:04:59 ... does it have DeX? [gasps]
David Imel 1:05:01 Oh, no.
Speaker 1:05:02 I haven't tried. I will try for you, though. I will try. Um, so yeah. Anyway, $1900 for a more casual Fold is an interesting spot to land.
David Imel 1:05:10 Yeah.
Speaker 1:05:10 That's the first-
David Imel 1:05:11 Yeah
Speaker 1:05:11 ... thought I had. The other thought I have had, and I mentioned this in the hands-on video, is, like, we're expecting a, the folding iPhone later this year. That's o- no question gonna be more expensive. That... We're, we're all thinking mid twos.
David Imel 1:05:23 Yeah.
Speaker 1:05:23 Like 2400, $2600.
David Imel 1:05:25 Yeah.
Speaker 1:05:25 And I think it's gonna be even shorter and even wider. So, like, more-
David Imel 1:05:32 Really?
Speaker 1:05:32 ... squat, and then you open it, and it becomes, like, 16 by nine.
David Imel 1:05:35 Really?
Speaker 1:05:36 I think that's what we've seen in these, uh, these, like, clay models and stuff like that that we've looked at.
David Imel 1:05:39 Wasn't the whole leak that this one, the reason Samsung did this one was because it's, like, the same screen basically?
Speaker 1:05:45 It doesn't seem like it is.
David Imel 1:05:47 Yeah.
Speaker 1:05:47 I mean, they're definitely mimicking the Passport thing again, because we're going back to that. And, you know, maybe this is a better time for that. Like, the tech is better for the Passport thing.
David Imel 1:05:56 Mm.
Speaker 1:05:56 This is now, we have silicon carbon. The, the phones are thinner. They're more daliable at this size. So instead of having crappy batteries, it's like, yeah, the Passport thing actually works again.
David Imel 1:06:05 Yeah.
Speaker 1:06:05 But I th- I do think the Apple one is a little bit of a different shape, again, than this one.
David Imel 1:06:09 Mac Rumors-
Andrew Manganelli 1:06:10 How far have we come from the Surface Duo?
David Imel 1:06:11 Mac Rumors is saying it's 5.5 on the outside and 7.8 on the inside, which is the same.
Speaker 1:06:16 7.8, though, 'cause it's a different ratio.
David Imel 1:06:18 Oh.
Speaker 1:06:18 So I think it's, like, it's 5.5, but it's even more, like, short-
David Imel 1:06:22 Yeah
Speaker 1:06:22 ... on the outside screen.
David Imel 1:06:23 Mm.
Speaker 1:06:23 And then when you open it, it's m- wider than four by three-
David Imel 1:06:28 Interesting
Speaker 1:06:28 ... I believe.
David Imel 1:06:28 That would, that would be funny, though, because that, outside of that, didn't you say it's 16 by 10, or is the inside 16 by 10?
Speaker 1:06:34 The, the outside-
Andrew Manganelli 1:06:34 Outside is 16 by 10
Speaker 1:06:34 ... outside is 16 by 10.
David Imel 1:06:36 Yeah.
Speaker 1:06:36 The inside is four by three.
David Imel 1:06:37 Well, 16 by 10 is the exact aspect ratio of the MacBook Pro.
Speaker 1:06:40 Yeah. That's nice.
David Imel 1:06:42 So Samsung's doing the Apple ratio, and Apple's doing the, the who knows ratio.
Speaker 1:06:46 [laughs]
Andrew Manganelli 1:06:47 Can I pitch an intro for the review of this?
Speaker 1:06:49 Yes.
Andrew Manganelli 1:06:50 All right. You dress up like Goldilocks.
David Imel 1:06:52 [laughs]
Speaker 1:06:53 [laughs] I can see.
Andrew Manganelli 1:06:53 And you get in the room, and you go-
Speaker 1:06:56 Uh. [laughs]
Andrew Manganelli 1:06:56 ... "Oh, this is such a nice phone." And you pick up the Ultra and you're like, "But it's just too big." [laughs] And then you-
Speaker 1:07:01 Only if we put you in a bear costume.
David Imel 1:07:03 [laughs]
Andrew Manganelli 1:07:04 And then you go... I may have just read Goldilocks to Lane last night-
Speaker 1:07:07 Uh-huh
Andrew Manganelli 1:07:07 ... but it's fresh on the mind.
David Imel 1:07:08 What? We couldn't tell.
Andrew Manganelli 1:07:09 [laughs]
Speaker 1:07:10 Wait, keep going. How does the rest of the intro go?
Andrew Manganelli 1:07:11 And then you come over and you're like, "Oh," and you put it down, and you get to the Flip and you're like, "Oh, this is so nice, but it's just too small."
Speaker 1:07:17 Mm-hmm. [laughs]
Andrew Manganelli 1:07:18 And then you come over and then you open the 8, and you're like, "This is weirdly named, but it's just right."
Speaker 1:07:22 [laughs] Yeah.
David Imel 1:07:24 For the, for the actual intro, we're gonna act all that out, but we're gonna replace the dialogue with that review-
Andrew Manganelli 1:07:28 [laughs] Yeah
David Imel 1:07:28 ... that you just did.
Speaker 1:07:29 And then three bears just come in and beat the [beep] out of you. [laughs]
Andrew Manganelli 1:07:31 Save that MP3.
David Imel 1:07:31 Yeah.
Speaker 1:07:31 Where does the porridge come into this? I feel like there's gotta be porridge.
Andrew Manganelli 1:07:34 You can start with porridge if you want. He just has porridge dribbling down his shirt-
Speaker 1:07:38 Yeah. Delicious
Andrew Manganelli 1:07:38 ... looking at the phones.
Speaker 1:07:39 Okay. Well, that's pretty much it.
Andrew Manganelli 1:07:42 Banger, banger intro.
Speaker 1:07:43 Um-
David Imel 1:07:43 Banger intro.
Speaker 1:07:44 That's pretty much it. I'm glad we can charge them at 45 watts. Pretty cool.
Andrew Manganelli 1:07:49 I'm gonna daily this thing, man. It's
Speaker 1:07:50 I think the, the-
Andrew Manganelli 1:07:51 Me too
Speaker 1:07:51 ... new one's sweet. [laughs]
David Imel 1:07:52 [laughs]
Speaker 1:07:53 Yeah. Very curious.
Andrew Manganelli 1:07:54 They-
Speaker 1:07:54 The 8 is sweet.
Andrew Manganelli 1:07:56 I kind of want the 8
Speaker 1:07:58 The Fold 8, like, I just want a phone that's that aspect ratio-
David Imel 1:08:01 I know
Speaker 1:08:01 ... not folding.
David Imel 1:08:02 At the briefing when I was using it, what I was really thinking about a lot is, like, this doesn't really feel like a phone. It feels like a gadget.
Speaker 1:08:09 I did bring up the Surface Duo, and I was hoping that would go well, and I think it did.
David Imel 1:08:13 We don't invoke that name again. [laughs]
Speaker 1:08:14 What... I know, I know, I know. But, uh, hear me out. The good parts of the Surface Duo, remember the dual embargo?
David Imel 1:08:18 Yeah.
Speaker 1:08:18 Where it was like-
Speaker 1:08:18 Good part
Speaker 1:08:19 ... all right, you guys can talk about the, the body-
Speaker 1:08:20 Tri- I think it was triple embargo
Speaker 1:08:21 ... not to interrupt.
David Imel 1:08:22 Yeah, it was three embargoes.
Speaker 1:08:23 But I think it was triple embargo.
Speaker 1:08:24 The first embargo was like, "You can talk about the hardware."
David Imel 1:08:26 The hardware.
Speaker 1:08:26 "Just do not turn it on. Do not show any of the software. Do not review it."
David Imel 1:08:29 Yeah.
Speaker 1:08:30 Then the s- So the first one comes out. We all, of course, wanna be in the first wave to be like, "Hey, I have the device. I'm starting to test it. I'm allowed to talk about the hardware." And the hardware-
David Imel 1:08:38 The hardware's good
Speaker 1:08:38 ... is nice.
David Imel 1:08:38 Yeah, for sure.
Speaker 1:08:39 It's, like, nice to hold. It's really thin. The 360 hinge, like, it's just k- kind of a cool shape.
David Imel 1:08:43 Yeah.
Speaker 1:08:43 It doesn't even feel like a phone. It's just a nice gadget that I wanna use.
David Imel 1:08:46 Yeah. Gadget.
Speaker 1:08:47 Anyway, stay tuned for the next video. [laughs]
Speaker 1:08:49 [laughs]
Speaker 1:08:49 And then the next video would be like, "All right."
David Imel 1:08:51 Yeah. [laughs]
Speaker 1:08:51 "The software is time, and it's-
David Imel 1:08:53 It was terrible
Speaker 1:08:53 ... it's bad, and-
David Imel 1:08:54 The digitizer didn't work
Speaker 1:08:55 ... but again, it was years ago. The battery tech wasn't good. It was too thin. The bezels were huge. Like, there were so many other things that were bad about it.
David Imel 1:09:03 The software was bad.
Speaker 1:09:03 Maybe we've gotten to the point where the tech is good enough that this is, like, this is a thing we can try again.
David Imel 1:09:10 Yeah.
Speaker 1:09:10 So we'll try this out.
David Imel 1:09:11 I don't... Yeah. I mean, I'm just super down for, for the gadgetiness of it.
Speaker 1:09:16 Yeah.
David Imel 1:09:16 'Cause it doesn't really feel like you're using a phone. Like, it's so wide even vertically.
Speaker 1:09:20 It does rock.
David Imel 1:09:21 It does rock in multiple ways.
Speaker 1:09:23 Yeah.
David Imel 1:09:23 But it's so wide vertically that, like, even when you're reading a website, it's way more enjoyable to read a website on the front screen than it is on a normal phone.
Speaker 1:09:33 Yeah.
David Imel 1:09:33 Like, the internet is just more formatted for a m- wider screen. And, uh-
Speaker 1:09:38 This is why you like Arc.
David Imel 1:09:40 Yeah, it's just... Yeah, exactly. So, um, yeah, I don't know.
Speaker 1:09:44 This is nice.
David Imel 1:09:45 Exactly, right? Isn't that nice?
Speaker 1:09:46 I can read stuff now.
David Imel 1:09:47 It almost feels like a tablet. It's, like, so nice.
Speaker 1:09:49 This is-
Speaker 1:09:50 You know what was the moment that made me really want it? When the, uh-
Speaker 1:09:52 The, when it was announced?
Speaker 1:09:53 Besides the announcing it.
Speaker 1:09:54 [laughs] Yeah.
Speaker 1:09:55 They turned it sideways in the Kindle app and it just turned into an e-reader, and I was like, "Oh, that's kinda fire."
David Imel 1:09:59 Yeah. Actually, in the briefing, um, they mentioned that in, when you have it open, and you have it in the, uh, vertical orientation, it's the, it's the orientation of an e-reader-
Speaker 1:10:10 Yes
David Imel 1:10:10 ... is what they said specifically.
Speaker 1:10:12 Three by four.
Speaker 1:10:12 Yeah.
David Imel 1:10:12 Three by four, which I don't know e-readers that are three by four, but I guess some are. I don't know.
Speaker 1:10:16 But it's, it's nice.
David Imel 1:10:17 They're all different.
Speaker 1:10:19 That's nice.
David Imel 1:10:19 Isn't that nice?
Speaker 1:10:20 This is nice. Anyway.
David Imel 1:10:22 Anyway.
Speaker 1:10:23 Stay tuned for the full review. It is no doubt in the works, because I'm gonna throw my SIM card in this, and we'll see how it goes.
David Imel 1:10:28 Yep.
Speaker 1:10:28 But, uh, yeah, what else should we talk about?
David Imel 1:10:30 Um, we can talk about-
Speaker 1:10:32 Trivia?
David Imel 1:10:32 ... trivia questions.
Speaker 1:10:33 Let's talk about trivia.
David Imel 1:10:34 And then we got some more stuff after the break.
Speaker 1:10:36 Trivia, dude. Score is 0000000.
Speaker 1:10:39 Wow.
David Imel 1:10:41 Nice.
Speaker 1:10:41 So there we go.
Speaker 1:10:42 Fine.
Speaker 1:10:42 Uh, while showing off One UI 9 on the new Flip, they swiped down at one point to reveal media controls on the right.
David Imel 1:10:49 I was barely paying attention.
Speaker 1:10:51 Yeah, I know.
David Imel 1:10:51 So there we go.
Speaker 1:10:52 See, you weren't paying attention. What song was playing when they swiped down?
Speaker 1:10:55 I don't know, man.
Speaker 1:10:56 You don't know?
Speaker 1:10:57 It must have been a song I don't know.
David Imel 1:10:58 Song.
Speaker 1:10:58 It must be.
Speaker 1:10:59 'Cause if it's ever a song that I do know, I think I would, like, remember that?
Speaker 1:11:03 Oh, you know this.
Speaker 1:11:04 It would register. I do know the song?
Speaker 1:11:05 You do know the song.
David Imel 1:11:05 Mm.
Speaker 1:11:06 Oh, that's too bad.
Speaker 1:11:06 I wouldn't pick some random, like, K-pop song you wouldn't know.
David Imel 1:11:08 It's one of the new songs-
Speaker 1:11:09 You know it
David Imel 1:11:09 ... on the Street Light Manifesto album.
Speaker 1:11:11 Yeah, it's definitely-
Speaker 1:11:11 [laughs] That would be the craziest street-
Speaker 1:11:12 ... specifically for David. [laughs]
Speaker 1:11:13 The Street Light...
David Imel 1:11:14 That's dope.
Speaker 1:11:14 I was saying LeBron was gonna announce to Philly during the event. [laughs]
David Imel 1:11:18 [laughs]
Speaker 1:11:18 Oh, man, I do not know this.
David Imel 1:11:20 Just saying.
Speaker 1:11:20 I was paying attention, too.
David Imel 1:11:22 Not for points. You know what e-reader does have a three by four ratio screen?
Speaker 1:11:26 Minimal ph- No.
Speaker 1:11:27 Don't say the Light Phone.
David Imel 1:11:28 The minimal phone.
Speaker 1:11:29 Minimal phone.
Speaker 1:11:29 Okay.
David Imel 1:11:29 It's not an e-reader.
Speaker 1:11:31 I read on it.
Speaker 1:11:31 [laughs]
David Imel 1:11:33 I read books.
Speaker 1:11:33 This, this, I'm reading off my laptop right now. Is that an e-reader?
Speaker 1:11:35 It's electronic, and it's... Okay, hold on. Let's not get ahead of ourselves here.
Speaker 1:11:38 [laughs]
David Imel 1:11:39 All right. Well, we'll have the answers for you.
Speaker 1:11:41 We'll be right back. [upbeat music]
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Explain in Tech Terms
Speaker 1:13:18 All right, welcome back. Uh, this is off the top of the dome, but I wanted to try to think of a way to explain something I saw on my feed in tech terms. It's an athletic feat. It's the new mile world record. I don't know if you guys saw this. In London, I think, about a week ago.
Speaker 1:13:33 About a week ago.
Speaker 1:13:34 Um, so I wanna get the time right.
David Imel 1:13:36 Three minutes, 42.66 seconds.
Speaker 1:13:39 Oh, you Googled it already.
David Imel 1:13:40 Yeah.
Speaker 1:13:40 Okay. So Josh Kerr ran the mile in three minutes, 42.66 seconds.
David Imel 1:13:45 According to AI overview.
Speaker 1:13:46 And that is correct. Uh, that's a 10th off of the, the previous mile world record, which was set in 1999-
Speaker 1:13:54 Whoa
Speaker 1:13:54 ... by Hicham El Guerrouj from Morocco. Um, that, by the way, is one of the greatest races- ... ever run, both first place and second place, both went under the previous world record mile.
Speaker 1:14:05 Dang.
Speaker 1:14:06 And then this guy, Josh, goes out, and he's been, like, saying he's going to break the world record-
Speaker 1:14:10 Oh
Speaker 1:14:10 ... for, like, weeks and weeks, and he finally gets to it, and he gets on that stage. The crowd's on their feet the whole time, and he goes out with these pace setters, and he runs essentially, like, a 16th- a 13-and-a-half second 100-meter dash 16 times in a row. It's an, it's say, there's no way to, like, contextualize how fast this mile is other than to just go try to do it yourself and realize it's ridiculous. I could do that. It's crazy. [laughs] Um, anyway, he breaks the world record for the mile, and I'm trying to think of a way to explain it in tech terms. Breaking a 26-year-old world record and saying you were gonna do it. [laughs]
Speaker 1:14:44 [laughs]
Speaker 1:14:46 You guys both nodded.
Speaker 1:14:47 David-
Speaker 1:14:47 Adam and I just-
Speaker 1:14:48 We had the same idea
Speaker 1:14:49 ... we had the same thought.
Speaker 1:14:50 All right. You go ahead. You go ahead. [laughs]
Speaker 1:14:51 It was like, [laughs] it was like when Fable disproved the, um, conjecture two days ago. The Jacobian conjecture.
Speaker 1:14:58 The Jacobian conjecture.
Speaker 1:15:00 What is this? I don't know what this is. This is, like, a math, a problem from, like, 1920s. And, uh, some, some dude just, like, worked with Fable and figured- 1939 ... 1939. Some dude, like, worked with Fable and figured out a counterexample of the Jacobian conjecture. Has to do with wrapping planes in 3D space, um, and, and unwrapping them It's way too smart for me to- I ju- ... understand ... I literally, [laughs] this is so funny, 'cause I was like, I was watching this all happen on Twitter. I'm, I promise we'll get back to running. [laughs]
Speaker 1:15:33 [laughs]
Speaker 1:15:33 I was watching this all go down on Twitter, and every single person was like, "@Grok, can you please explain to, this to me simply?" And it was not simple. And then someone would be like, "Like I'm a five-year-old," and it was not simple. [laughs] And I was just like, "I'm never gonna understand this." Anyway- Math is hard ... is that what you were thinking of too, Adam? Mm-hmm.
Speaker 1:15:51 That's really funny.
Speaker 1:15:52 I was thinking the exact same thing-
Speaker 1:15:53 That's so-
Speaker 1:15:53 ... because it's been something that hasn't been, what, disproven or proven for, like, since 1939.
Speaker 1:15:57 They found a counterexample.
Speaker 1:15:59 That's what it is.
Speaker 1:15:59 So basically, it's fa- the, the conjecture is false, and therefore, a lot of things about math are now different.
Speaker 1:16:07 Isn't that theoretically- Whoa ... what AI was, at least, like, five years ago when I was first learning about it, was supposed to be doing?
Speaker 1:16:12 Yes.
Speaker 1:16:13 It was supposed to be, like, finding things humans couldn't find. No, no, no, no.
Speaker 1:16:16 Yeah.
Speaker 1:16:16 [laughs]
Speaker 1:16:17 Animated gerbils-
Speaker 1:16:18 [laughs]
Speaker 1:16:19 ... in the middle of an unpacked event.
Speaker 1:16:20 Animated, depressed gerbils. [laughs] I was like, I was learning-
Speaker 1:16:23 This is funny
Speaker 1:16:23 ... about both quantum computers and AI at the same time.
Speaker 1:16:26 Yeah.
Speaker 1:16:26 But it was like, "Oh, yeah, we'll be able to f- uh, pattern recognition, we'll be able to identify diseases in, like, X-rays that human doctors couldn't find." It was all this-
Speaker 1:16:33 Yeah
Speaker 1:16:33 ... promising stuff, and this, this sounds-
Speaker 1:16:36 Yeah
Speaker 1:16:36 ... like, kind of up that alley, which is-
Speaker 1:16:37 I'm guaranteeing you that OpenAI and Anthropic are jumping for joy right now, because-
Speaker 1:16:42 Something happened
Speaker 1:16:42 ... they've been telling people that AI is gonna be able to do this for, this has been, like, the basis of all their funding.
Speaker 1:16:48 Yeah.
Speaker 1:16:48 And now, um, can I replace-
Speaker 1:16:50 And Anthropic's other funding was to find digital God
Speaker 1:16:52 ... people's stuff. Oh, well, that's Anthropic.
Speaker 1:16:54 Uh- Can I ask a stupid question? [laughs] Did they just type in- No ... "Can you solve this?" [laughs] No. And it was the f- They- Okay ... okay, not a stupid question. [laughs] 'Cause they didn't, but, um, in response to this, some dude on Twitter was like, "Hmm, I wonder if I can find something." And I, he just said, like, "Disprove a random conjecture," and it did disprove one that no one had disproved before. But apparently, in this period of time, there were just hundreds of conjectures being made, that, like, the list is so long that nobody has wanted to do it, 'cause it's, like, a tre- it's, like, just pointless. Mm-hmm. Um, and so it found a random one, and it did solve a problem, um, but it wasn't an important problem. Like-
Speaker 1:17:36 Just funny
Speaker 1:17:36 ... breaking a sub four-minute marathon. Right. Or a mile. Or back to that. Mile. Back to that. Back to that. Yeah. So, how'd he do it? I mean, the training, the shoes, the modern medicine, the m- the- Whoa ... a lot of- Whoa, hold on. You can't just throw modern medicine in there- Well, I mean- ... without me assuming he's Roy- When you break a world record- ... Recovery. So, like, the original, like, theoretical human limit for the mile was, like, breaking a four-minute mile. Like, that, that was the Roger Bannister famous, like, "Oh, my God, he did it. He ran under four minutes." Once he ran under four minutes, then humans were like, "Oh, we can do under four minutes," and then the world record con- continually got lower and lower. Three minutes and 50 seconds, three minutes and now 46 seconds. Yeah. So, the fact that Hicham El Guerrouj broke this world record in 1999, there's been a ton of advancements in sports since then, the shoes- Yeah ... the training, the medicine, the recovery, the everything. The meds. And it still took 26, 27 more years of that for someone to break his record. Yeah. Which makes it seem like it was pretty sick when it happened.
Speaker 1:18:38 Can I ask a question that we may or may not keep in the pod, 'cause you might not know?
Speaker 1:18:42 Sure.
Speaker 1:18:43 Do you know if there were people running in front of him, like, as a vanguard to break the air?
Speaker 1:18:47 Pacers. For which- I thought he said for the new one
Speaker 1:18:49 ... oh, for the new one? Or was he just, like-
Speaker 1:18:51 Yeah, so this-
Speaker 1:18:51 ... by himself?
Speaker 1:18:51 Yeah, so it's outdoor track. It's a famously fast track. The first lap, he has two pace setters. The next lap, he has one pace setter, and then he runs the last lap and a half alone in the lead. And it's not so much breaking the air, but it's like this track has lights alongside the bottom of the track to identify exactly where you have to be, at what speed where you need to be to break the world record. So the, the old world records in the '90s was just, like, this guy ran as fast as he could- As hard as, yeah ... and he passed the line and then discovered that it was a world record, where these guys are like, "All right, this is the record I'm gonna break, and I'm gonna train to do exactly that. And I'm gonna run exactly this pace, and I'm gonna have pace setters who are setting it up for me-
Speaker 1:19:30 Wow
Speaker 1:19:30 ... to follow them, and then they're gonna leave, and then I'm gonna f- run the last lap and a half as hard as I can."
Speaker 1:19:34 Where is that track?
Speaker 1:19:35 London.
Speaker 1:19:36 That sounds sick.
Speaker 1:19:37 It sounds, yeah.
Speaker 1:19:37 We should-
Speaker 1:19:37 Well, there's lots of tracks now that have these lights
Speaker 1:19:39 ... we should go to this. Oh, really?
Speaker 1:19:40 Yeah.
Speaker 1:19:40 Let's go to one.
Speaker 1:19:41 Yeah.
Speaker 1:19:41 I wanna do that.
Speaker 1:19:42 It's pretty cool, and to try to keep up with the lights- Yeah ... is probably very hard. Yeah. So anyway. That would be really funny. It would be really funny if we took the entire team, spaced us out, and saw if collectively we could get anywhere close, where we're all only running, like- We definitely couldn't ... like, 100 yards at a time. Each 400 would be, like-
Speaker 1:20:00 ... a sprint for us. Yeah.
Speaker 1:20:02 Oh, yeah.
Speaker 1:20:02 Yeah.
Speaker 1:20:02 It'd be more than it. Yeah.
Speaker 1:20:04 Yeah, a four-by-four for four people at the studio with so much-
Speaker 1:20:06 Oh, no, I mean all 16 of us.
Speaker 1:20:07 Oh, all of us?
Speaker 1:20:08 Yeah.
Speaker 1:20:08 Maybe if we ran, like, 100-meter sprints for each of us, 'cause there's 16 of us.
Speaker 1:20:13 You're going down, Josh.
Speaker 1:20:14 I used to be a sprinter.
Speaker 1:20:15 Sorry. Sorry to break it to you, Josh.
Speaker 1:20:16 I can't do that. That would be cruel.
Speaker 1:20:17 Four ACLs ago, I might have been able-
Speaker 1:20:19 The worst
Speaker 1:20:19 ... to help. [laughs]
Speaker 1:20:21 Yeah. The worst. That's
Peak Design Field Bracket
Speaker 1:20:22 funny. Anyway, now you know.
Speaker 1:20:23 Okay.
Speaker 1:20:23 Tech helped us. Well, there's a couple, uh, tech news stories I wanted to bring up. Uh, one, Peak Design just launched a really cool, what they call Field Bracket. Uh, it's part L bracket, part, like, modular cage for your, for your, uh, camera, and, uh, it also hides a tracker tag in the bottom of the cage, which is really cool. So if you don't know what an L bracket is, uh, for cameras, it's, like, a piece of metal that slaps onto the bottom inside of your camera that allows you to put your camera on a tripod, but in a vertical orientation, so that you can shoot in portrait orientation. Mm-hmm. Um, also, there's an attachment called a cheese plate, which is just basically, like, a bunch of holes that'll slap onto it, which-
Speaker 1:21:05 Love a good cheese plate.
Speaker 1:21:06 Exactly. It allows you to attach, like, a light or a, or a microphone or, like, different things like that. Every time I talk about cheese plates to people who are not in the industry-
Speaker 1:21:16 They also love cheese plates
Speaker 1:21:17 ... confusion, confusion ensues every year.
Speaker 1:21:18 But universally loved-
Speaker 1:21:20 Yeah
Speaker 1:21:20 ... by everybody.
Speaker 1:21:20 We both love cheese plates.
Speaker 1:21:21 Yes.
Speaker 1:21:21 For sure. That's- And I started talking about, like, the things I attach to cheese plates, and, like, what are you talking about?
Speaker 1:21:25 Do you know how you have beers and cameras?
Speaker 1:21:27 Yeah.
Speaker 1:21:27 You should have cheese plates and cheese plates.
Speaker 1:21:28 Mm. Whoa.
Speaker 1:21:30 [laughs]
Speaker 1:21:31 Wait, that's actually smart. That's fire. I'm getting the Instagram today.
Speaker 1:21:34 [laughs]
Speaker 1:21:35 Uh, okay. But the coolest thing about this, because I am famously, notoriously clumsy, is that they have a new tracker tag that Peak Design is making that sits flush in the bottom of the cage, which is- in the bracket, which is really cool, and it works on both Apple Find My and Google Find Hub. Uh, lasts for about six months. You can replace the- uh, but then you can just replace the battery. It's a basic coin-operated battery. Um, and so that's really nice. I just like [laughs] I need, I need ways to not lose my cameras, because currently, on, like, all of my cameras, I have an Air Tag just, like, hanging off of the strap.
Speaker 1:22:11 I have a new petition.
Speaker 1:22:12 Okay.
Speaker 1:22:13 I've already petitioned that all cameras have, should have built-in storage.
Speaker 1:22:17 Yeah.
Speaker 1:22:17 I think they should all also have GPS-ready Find My-
Speaker 1:22:21 Yeah
Speaker 1:22:21 ... capabilities.
Speaker 1:22:21 I like that.
Speaker 1:22:22 Just modern cameras.
Speaker 1:22:23 Just built into them.
Speaker 1:22:23 Yeah.
Speaker 1:22:23 Yeah, just built in.
Speaker 1:22:24 Just right on the camera.
Speaker 1:22:25 I agree with that.
Speaker 1:22:26 Yeah.
Speaker 1:22:26 That'd be great. Um, so yeah, they- uh, Peak Design always runs their pre-orders of stuff on Kickstarter, so they have it on Kickstarter. There is a Kickstarter price. The base bracket with the L bracket and the plate is $125. $200 if you want every accessory, which comes with the tracker. It comes with a hand grip. It comes with the cheese plate. It comes with-
Speaker 1:22:46 Amen
Speaker 1:22:46 ... the... Yeah.
Speaker 1:22:47 [laughs]
Speaker 1:22:47 So it's pretty cool. They do have it a, a very limited number of cameras, and it's mostly the, the brand-new model of every camera line. So if you have, like, a last gen model, it might not work, but they do have a form where you can, that you can fill out, where you could ask them if they'll make a certain one. And I'm assuming if they get enough demand for certain cameras, they-
Speaker 1:23:05 I always love those. That's like a, "We're listening-
Speaker 1:23:08 Yeah
Speaker 1:23:08 ... but you're just throwing this into the void," right? [laughs]
Speaker 1:23:10 Yeah, it's, it is funny 'cause it's literally just a type form.
Speaker 1:23:14 Mm.
Speaker 1:23:14 And it's like giving a type form to a large company always feels like, are you even looking at these? [laughs]
Speaker 1:23:18 Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1:23:19 We're, we care.
Speaker 1:23:20 We promise we're listening.
Speaker 1:23:21 Yeah. Which-
Speaker 1:23:21 Just goes straight into the garbage
Speaker 1:23:23 ... I mean, if they could make en- enough money off of it, because honestly-
Speaker 1:23:25 Exactly
Speaker 1:23:26 ... like, especially an accessory like this that is just cut metal, I think probably has a very big margin, and they could make a lot of money on it. Other cool thing about it is that the modular aspects of it, where you can, like, slide in the cheese plate or slide in the hand grip, um, it just uses a finger tension-like thing. So you don't need any tools to, to change out the, the parts of it, which is cool.
Speaker 1:23:49 Mm.
Apple’s Upgrade Program
Speaker 1:23:50 Um, so I just wanted to bring that up. They just announced that yesterday. Last thing, this is more of a depression indicator thing.
Speaker 1:23:56 [laughs]
Speaker 1:23:58 Um, Apple is reportedly going to launch an Apple upgrade- [laughs]
Speaker 1:24:03 Do you mean recession indicator?
Speaker 1:24:04 Recession? No, I do not.
Speaker 1:24:05 Same thing. [laughs]
Speaker 1:24:05 [laughs] I mean a great re- a great... [laughs] A large recession is a great depression, so it depends on how deep in this recession we are.
Speaker 1:24:13 Oh, we're deep, Iz.
Speaker 1:24:14 Okay. I think, I think David meant the other kind of depression. Is it depressing, or is it-
Speaker 1:24:18 Porque no los dos. [laughs]
Speaker 1:24:20 I think usually you say a recession indicator. I think that's what you meant to say.
Speaker 1:24:23 No.
Speaker 1:24:24 You meant depression.
Speaker 1:24:24 He meant a Great Depression indicator.
Speaker 1:24:26 [laughs] Okay. Great Depression to Apple boogaloo.
Speaker 1:24:31 The depressioning.
Speaker 1:24:32 So Apple is reportedly going to launch an Apple upgrade leasing program. So just like you can lease a car-
Speaker 1:24:39 Lease, bro?
Speaker 1:24:40 Yep. Uh, you're now reportedly going to be able to lease Apple devices. It will work similarly to a car lease.
Speaker 1:24:48 Oh, this is like what carriers are doing, basically.
Speaker 1:24:50 Um, yeah, I guess, technically, yes. And Apple has been trying very, very hard to get people to buy phones directly from them, and computers.
Speaker 1:24:58 Yeah, what sucks about this is it only comes with, like, 20,000 miles, which is crazy.
Speaker 1:25:02 Yeah, true. You have, you have to pay by the mile after that. [laughs] Uh, but it will be available for most new iPhone, Mac, iPad, and Apple Watch models. They will be 24-month leases for iPhones, Apple Watches, and 36-month leases for iPads and Macs.
Speaker 1:25:18 Please do not lease an iPad. [laughs]
Speaker 1:25:21 Please don't lease an iPad.
Speaker 1:25:22 Okay, wait. I'm confused about this.
Speaker 1:25:23 Yes.
Speaker 1:25:23 At the end of it, do you own the iPad, or do you have to give it back?
Speaker 1:25:26 So you-
Speaker 1:25:26 Please tell
Speaker 1:25:27 ... you have to give it back unless you buy it out.
Speaker 1:25:30 So if I... Wait, okay.
Speaker 1:25:32 So just like a car, you know how with a lot of cars you can lease a car, and then-
Speaker 1:25:37 You lease to own, and then pay, like, the payoff
Speaker 1:25:38 ... you lease to own, yeah. You pay the remaining balance. That's the option that Apple will reportedly give you.
Speaker 1:25:43 Okay, so I don't have to, like, rebuy it at the end of me leasing it.
Speaker 1:25:46 No, but it's-
Speaker 1:25:46 Got it
Speaker 1:25:47 ... probably... I don't- we don't know the, the details yet, but it may be more expensive buying it over time than it is-
Speaker 1:25:53 The, the total amount out of your pocket will be higher than just buying it.
Speaker 1:25:57 Probably higher, yeah.
Speaker 1:25:57 But you spread the payments out over a long enough time so as to not pay that lump sum all at once.
Speaker 1:26:02 Yeah. Yeah. Um-
Speaker 1:26:04 Financing.
Speaker 1:26:05 Financing.
Speaker 1:26:05 [laughs]
Speaker 1:26:06 Yeah, I think that Apple is probably like, "Hmm, Klarna is taking all of our finance money." Also, they did just up the prices significantly of, like, all of their devices.
Speaker 1:26:14 True.
Speaker 1:26:14 So people might actually need to do this now.
Speaker 1:26:17 Also, it is Klarna.
Speaker 1:26:18 Oh, it's through Klarna?
Speaker 1:26:20 Apps.
David Imel 1:26:20 Yeah.
Speaker 1:26:20 Gurman says Klarna will be Apple's financial backer for the new program.
Speaker 1:26:23 Oh, financial backer. So Apple's not even taking a risk [laughs] basically.
Speaker 1:26:27 Hmm.
Speaker 1:26:28 Um-
Speaker 1:26:29 I mean, I'm not-
Speaker 1:26:29 Yeah
Speaker 1:26:29 ... I'm surprised it took this so long to Klarna an iPhone. If I can Klarna Taco Bell, I can Klarna-
Speaker 1:26:33 Dude, you can Klarna a martini.
David Imel 1:26:35 [laughs]
Speaker 1:26:35 Yeah.
Speaker 1:26:35 You can pay off your martini in, like, 16 cent-
Speaker 1:26:37 I don't like it
Speaker 1:26:38 ... installments.
David Imel 1:26:39 That's [laughs] ridiculous. Don't do that either.
Speaker 1:26:41 Yeah.
David Imel 1:26:41 I mean, it's-
Speaker 1:26:41 Budget devices will not be, uh, uh, included in this, so you cannot buy the MacBook Neo with it. You can't buy the base iPad or base iPhone or Apple Watch SE. Um, but it will reportedly launch on the 28th, which is in just a few days.
Speaker 1:26:55 This is not a financial advice podcast, but-
Speaker 1:26:59 [laughs]
David Imel 1:27:00 [laughs]
Speaker 1:27:02 Try to avoid this. [laughs]
Speaker 1:27:03 Yeah, maybe, maybe try to not.
Speaker 1:27:04 Try not to do that.
Speaker 1:27:05 There are a lot of-
Speaker 1:27:07 Don't do it
Speaker 1:27:08 ... used devices available on the market. I really, really recommend buying a used phone or a used computer.
Speaker 1:27:14 Yeah.
David Imel 1:27:14 There are also, and again, not financial advice, but there's lots of retailers that offer store-bought credit, like, store credit cards that have zero fees and will let you zero interest finance over two years.
Speaker 1:27:25 But also try not to finance.
Speaker 1:27:27 There-
Speaker 1:27:28 Yeah
Speaker 1:27:28 ... you guys are too pessimistic.
Speaker 1:27:29 [laughs]
Speaker 1:27:30 There's a lot of success stories, like those gaming PCs you could rent.
Speaker 1:27:34 Oh, no. [laughs]
David Imel 1:27:35 Yeah.
Speaker 1:27:35 And then all you have to do is become a pro Fortnite player.
David Imel 1:27:37 Wait, that's true.
Speaker 1:27:38 I forgot about that.
Speaker 1:27:38 And then-
David Imel 1:27:39 Fortnite's on the iPad.
Speaker 1:27:41 That's true.
Speaker 1:27:41 This is... You're losing money if [laughs] you don't do this.
Speaker 1:27:44 If you don't lease an iPad. [laughs]
David Imel 1:27:47 [laughs]
Speaker 1:27:47 Yeah. Wow, Apple strikes again.
David Imel 1:27:49 Apple.
Speaker 1:27:50 [laughs] They're, they're genius. [laughs]
David Imel 1:27:52 They always think of the thing.
Speaker 1:27:53 They always think of it. Wow.
David Imel 1:27:53 Who said yeah to this?
Speaker 1:27:56 Apple.
Speaker 1:27:56 Yeah. [laughs]
Speaker 1:27:57 [laughs]
Speaker 1:27:57 They're the bank.
Speaker 1:27:59 Yeah, Klarna.
David Imel 1:28:00 Didn't they already have this with iPhones? They had a financing thing through the Apple Card. Yeah.
Speaker 1:28:07 Yeah.
David Imel 1:28:07 Because if you-
Speaker 1:28:07 I don't know, man
David Imel 1:28:08 ... wanna take-
Speaker 1:28:08 Why-
David Imel 1:28:08 ... the official route
Speaker 1:28:09 ... why have one financing when you could have two financing?
Speaker 1:28:11 Yeah, they've really gotten into financial services. They have the Apple Credit Card now, and then they have the buy now, pay later, and all this other stuff. It's a good time.
Speaker 1:28:19 Yeah.
David Imel 1:28:19 I guess.
Speaker 1:28:20 So-
David Imel 1:28:20 Is it, ugh-
Speaker 1:28:21 ... if this actually, you know, launches on the 28th, um, we should... Oh, wait, is next week the 20-
Speaker 1:28:28 Yeah
Speaker 1:28:28 ... a week from today is the 20-
David Imel 1:28:29 9th
Speaker 1:28:29 ... 9th. Ooh, so we might be able to talk about it next week. We'll have more details next week, theoretically, potentially.
David Imel 1:28:35 I'll, I'll finance a, uh- Don't ... Mac Pro M- M- M6 Ultra or Mac Pro.
Speaker 1:28:41 You should an Intel Mac Pro.
David Imel 1:28:43 Oh, God.
Speaker 1:28:43 Yeah.
David Imel 1:28:44 Then I'll let you know how it goes.
Speaker 1:28:45 Yeah. [laughs]
Speaker 1:28:45 All right. Cool.
Speaker 1:28:47 Are they launching this because the next iPhone also think [laughs] it's gonna be so expensive?
David Imel 1:28:50 [laughs] Costing so much money.
Speaker 1:28:51 I mean, didn't, Marques, didn't you say that there was an insane Gurman tweet this morning where he said there will be a new, and a new, and a new, and a new-
Speaker 1:29:00 I'll read it if you want.
Speaker 1:29:01 Read it to me.
Speaker 1:29:02 Okay. Just a-
Speaker 1:29:03 Just like, just like Andrew reads Lane.
Speaker 1:29:05 Yeah.
David Imel 1:29:05 [laughs]
Speaker 1:29:06 As we record on Wednesday, this is the tweet that showed up on my timeline.
Speaker 1:29:08 Read me Gurman reports, Marques.
Speaker 1:29:10 [laughs]
Speaker 1:29:11 To go to sleep to.
Speaker 1:29:13 News: Apple readies end-to-end Mac overhaul, including M6 MacBook Pro and new iMacs this year, and several new redesigned MacBook Pros with Touch and OLED, and new MacBook Air, and MacBook Neo models across the end of this year and next year.
Speaker 1:29:29 Wow.
Speaker 1:29:30 So all the Macs, basically.
Speaker 1:29:31 All the Macs.
Speaker 1:29:31 Other than
Trivia scores
Speaker 1:29:32 the Mac Studio and i- Mac mini.
Speaker 1:29:33 Well, I'm excited for the touchscreen Ultra.
Speaker 1:29:36 Same.
Speaker 1:29:37 Let's take it to trivia. [upbeat music] This won't make me depressed. This will make me very happy because now I'll finally do well again in trivia.
David Imel 1:29:44 Marques, I have a perfect tech analogy for your mile, okay?
Speaker 1:29:48 Okay.
David Imel 1:29:48 It's just like how this mystery-
Speaker 1:29:49 Welcome to the conversation
David Imel 1:29:50 ... phone company made a passport phone called The Passport, and then no one did it.
Speaker 1:29:56 [laughs]
David Imel 1:29:56 And now we're back, so who made it?
Speaker 1:29:58 [sighs] Damn.
Speaker 1:30:00 I don't know if I'm gonna remember this.
Speaker 1:30:04 What year?
David Imel 1:30:05 2014.
Speaker 1:30:08 So I'm in college. [laughs]
David Imel 1:30:09 The year that I, for some reason, associate with J. Cole.
Speaker 1:30:12 [laughs]
Speaker 1:30:13 So phones.
David Imel 1:30:13 Okay.
Speaker 1:30:14 So 2014-
Speaker 1:30:15 40 Hill Drive, baby.
David Imel 1:30:17 Did not come out in 2014.
Speaker 1:30:18 Yeah, they did.
Speaker 1:30:18 I don't think I associate 2014 with anything.
David Imel 1:30:21 That's like literally the whole point.
Speaker 1:30:22 2014, 40 Hill Drive.
David Imel 1:30:23 Yeah.
Speaker 1:30:24 What happened in 2014?
Speaker 1:30:25 Ready?
David Imel 1:30:26 J. Cole. Double platinum, no features. [laughs]
Speaker 1:30:30 Oh, that's what it was. Yeah.
Speaker 1:30:31 I can't...
David Imel 1:30:32 I'm watching.
Speaker 1:30:33 I'm not sure. I thought this was earlier, to be honest.
Speaker 1:30:35 Those are grapes, by the way. Have you... Never mind.
Speaker 1:30:38 Doesn't matter.
Speaker 1:30:39 All right, I was wrong.
Speaker 1:30:40 Could be a bug.
Speaker 1:30:40 I'll just say mine. I wrote HTC. [buzzer]
David Imel 1:30:43 Is there an HTC Passport? Should we Google that just to make sure?
Speaker 1:30:46 No, I'm just, I was just thinking about 2014, just what was happening. I was, I was not thinking about my-
Speaker 1:30:49 HTC was happening.
Speaker 1:30:51 Yeah.
Speaker 1:30:51 No.
Speaker 1:30:51 I think we used to have a red one in the drawer upstairs, a red passport.
Speaker 1:30:55 Passport.
David Imel 1:30:56 BlackBerry Passport.
Speaker 1:30:57 BlackBerry Passport.
David Imel 1:30:57 Which is the correct answer. [bell dinging]
Speaker 1:30:59 We did.
Speaker 1:30:59 I thought that was a way older device. I don't know why.
Speaker 1:31:02 Yeah, BlackBerry was on death's door for a long time. They were close-
Speaker 1:31:05 Yeah
Speaker 1:31:05 ... till, like, late into the 2000 teens or whatever it was.
Speaker 1:31:08 They made a couple fun Android phones.
Speaker 1:31:10 Yes.
Speaker 1:31:10 Like the S... Yeah.
Speaker 1:31:12 They-
Speaker 1:31:12 The one that slid and then you could, you could drag your finger along the keyboard, and it worked as a mouse.
Speaker 1:31:17 Oh.
David Imel 1:31:17 Yeah.
Speaker 1:31:17 Is that what it's called? I'm trying to remember the name of this.
Speaker 1:31:19 The-
Speaker 1:31:19 I reviewed it
Speaker 1:31:20 ... Priv.
Speaker 1:31:20 Priv.
Speaker 1:31:21 The Priv.
Speaker 1:31:21 Yeah, Priv.
Speaker 1:31:21 Priv. Nice.
Speaker 1:31:22 Damn.
Speaker 1:31:22 That's a good pull. That's a good pull.
Speaker 1:31:23 I'm a BlackBerry boy, apparently. [laughs]
Speaker 1:31:25 Yeah, what happened? [laughs] Why do you know all these names?
David Imel 1:31:26 Priv.
Speaker 1:31:27 Speaking of fun phones.
Speaker 1:31:29 Yeah.
Speaker 1:31:30 The one UI nine preview on the Flip that was just announced today.
Speaker 1:31:34 Media eraser.
David Imel 1:31:35 I'm purely guessing this one.
Speaker 1:31:37 What song was playing in the media player when they swiped between-
Speaker 1:31:39 Wait, can we-
David Imel 1:31:39 Oh, in the media player.
Speaker 1:31:40 Wrong one. [laughs]
Speaker 1:31:41 Nobody here has-
David Imel 1:31:41 Wrong one. [laughs]
Speaker 1:31:42 ... no one here has any idea what it is, right?
David Imel 1:31:44 No clue.
Speaker 1:31:45 Can we all request a hint, or else just none of us are gonna get it?
Speaker 1:31:48 No. [tense music]
David Imel 1:31:49 Wait, wait, wait. Okay.
Speaker 1:31:52 Oh.
David Imel 1:31:52 Okay. Oh, my God.
Speaker 1:31:53 The hint is-
David Imel 1:31:55 That's the answer?
Speaker 1:31:56 The hint is Ellis loves this song.
David Imel 1:31:58 [laughs]
Speaker 1:31:58 We've spoken about it multiple times on Trivia Extravaganzas of the past. We've spoken about it multiple times just in conversation.
David Imel 1:32:06 Yeah
Speaker 1:32:08 Wait. And it's not really a song. There's no words. Are there words?
David Imel 1:32:11 Uh, there's, there's-
Speaker 1:32:12 There's words. Three words? [laughs]
David Imel 1:32:14 There's three words.
Speaker 1:32:15 There's three words.
Andrew Manganelli 1:32:15 This is all framing up for my question to be fit all those stipulations-
Speaker 1:32:21 Okay
Andrew Manganelli 1:32:21 ... but be wrong.
Speaker 1:32:22 Yeah.
David Imel 1:32:22 Oh.
Speaker 1:32:22 That was a really big hint, but I didn't have enough time to connect it.
Speaker 1:32:24 Do you guys want another hint?
David Imel 1:32:25 No, no.
Speaker 1:32:26 Yeah, sure.
Andrew Manganelli 1:32:27 Well, if we all get it wrong, then give us one more hint.
Speaker 1:32:29 Okay, okay, okay. All right. Flip them and read. What do we got?
David Imel 1:32:33 Oh my God, Andrew, [laughs] if we all get it wrong.
Speaker 1:32:36 [laughs]
Speaker 1:32:38 We're all, we're all wrong, so.
Speaker 1:32:39 What'd you guys write? I wrote Friday by Rebecca Black.
Speaker 1:32:42 No.
Andrew Manganelli 1:32:42 I wrote 100 Gecs.
Speaker 1:32:43 No.
Speaker 1:32:44 I wrote All the Pieces by Streetlight Manifesto.
Speaker 1:32:46 No. Okay. Here's the hints.
Speaker 1:32:48 [laughs]
Speaker 1:32:49 The artist, you know how there's, like, the song title, song artist, whatever. Artist.
Andrew Manganelli 1:32:53 Mm-hmm.
Speaker 1:32:54 Samsung.
Speaker 1:32:54 [laughs] Oh. What is that song called?
Andrew Manganelli 1:32:58 Oh. Oh.
Speaker 1:32:59 What is that song called? What is that song called?
Andrew Manganelli 1:33:03 I don't know what it's called.
Speaker 1:33:04 Long distance.
David Imel 1:33:05 It has a name. It has a name.
Speaker 1:33:06 I know.
Andrew Manganelli 1:33:07 Damn it. I don't know the name. I think I know one of the words in the title, which is gonna be really rough if it's not more than one word.
Speaker 1:33:14 Oh, we have talked about this so many times.
Speaker 1:33:17 So many times.
David Imel 1:33:18 That even been a triv- it was.
Andrew Manganelli 1:33:20 It's definitely been.
Speaker 1:33:20 It was a trivia question a long time ago.
Andrew Manganelli 1:33:22 Damn it.
David Imel 1:33:23 Okay.
Speaker 1:33:23 Flip 'em and read. What do you got?
Andrew Manganelli 1:33:26 Uh. Oh.
Speaker 1:33:28 Is that what it's called?
Speaker 1:33:29 N- I, no.
Andrew Manganelli 1:33:30 [laughs]
Speaker 1:33:30 I don't think so. [laughs]
Speaker 1:33:31 I don't know.
David Imel 1:33:32 Someone read an answer.
Andrew Manganelli 1:33:34 Marques, go first.
Speaker 1:33:35 Uh. [laughs]
David Imel 1:33:36 [laughs]
Speaker 1:33:37 [laughs]
Speaker 1:33:39 Moonlight Sonata.
Speaker 1:33:40 Oh my gosh.
Andrew Manganelli 1:33:41 Does it have the word ocean in it? Okay.
Speaker 1:33:44 I wrote Beyond the Galaxy, but that's not it either.
Speaker 1:33:47 [laughs] So good. Kind of a banger, honestly.
Andrew Manganelli 1:33:51 I unfortunately have-
Speaker 1:33:52 The answer.
Speaker 1:33:53 Oh.
Andrew Manganelli 1:33:54 Over the Horizon.
Speaker 1:33:55 Over the Horizon.
Speaker 1:33:56 That's a really good guess.
Speaker 1:33:58 I was so close.
Speaker 1:33:58 Yeah. Beyond the Galaxy, Over the Horizon.
David Imel 1:34:02 So good. That's the, uh, the special Dirty Loops version.
Andrew Manganelli 1:34:04 Why is that kind of a bop?
Speaker 1:34:05 Oh, is that the bop?
Speaker 1:34:06 It is a bop.
Andrew Manganelli 1:34:07 Wait, hold on a second.
David Imel 1:34:08 Have we, we never played this video for you?
Andrew Manganelli 1:34:10 I don't know. It w-
David Imel 1:34:11 I don't know how much more I can play. Yeah.
Andrew Manganelli 1:34:13 Yeah.
David Imel 1:34:13 It's this band, it's from-
Andrew Manganelli 1:34:14 If Samsung can steal Spider-Man, I think we can play this
David Imel 1:34:18 ... that's, they're, we're hyping them up.
Andrew Manganelli 1:34:19 Yeah. [laughs]
David Imel 1:34:19 There's a Scandinavian band called Dirty Loops and who Samsung hired to, like, cover the ringtone Over the Horizon in 2016.
Andrew Manganelli 1:34:26 Oh, but is that a YouTube channel that's posting it? 'Cause then they could strike our stuff if it's-
David Imel 1:34:30 It's, it's Samsung's YouTube-
Andrew Manganelli 1:34:31 Oh, it's Samsung's YouTube channel?
David Imel 1:34:32 ... channel.
Andrew Manganelli 1:34:33 Hmm. But you can-
Speaker 1:34:34 I say, I say we let it roll.
David Imel 1:34:35 Let's let it roll, baby.
Speaker 1:34:37 And if you can access-
Speaker 1:34:39 Let's just let it roll
Speaker 1:34:40 ... this podcast on youtube.com-
David Imel 1:34:42 You're probably in Russia
Speaker 1:34:42 ... you know who did it.
Speaker 1:34:44 Wait, are we gonna get demonetized for playing it?
Andrew Manganelli 1:34:47 No.
David Imel 1:34:47 No.
Andrew Manganelli 1:34:48 They would love us to share it. [laughs]
David Imel 1:34:49 And if, if we do, we'll, we'll mute it.
Speaker 1:34:51 Okay.
David Imel 1:34:52 And then it'll just be a weird silent part, and everyone will know why.
Andrew Manganelli 1:34:55 People will like that.
David Imel 1:34:55 Because a certain Korean mega company did not want us using their funky little tune.
Andrew Manganelli 1:35:00 [beep] LG, man.
David Imel 1:35:01 [laughs]
Andrew Manganelli 1:35:03 [laughs]
Speaker 1:35:04 And on that note, the pod is over.
Speaker 1:35:06 Let it roll, baby.
Speaker 1:35:07 Thanks for watching. Thanks for listening. We are back on our regularly scheduled programming. We all have zero points on trivia still, so.
Andrew Manganelli 1:35:14 No.
Speaker 1:35:14 No, no. Andrew and David got it correct, the first one.
David Imel 1:35:17 You got zero points on trivia. [laughs]
Speaker 1:35:18 I have zero points on trivia still.
Andrew Manganelli 1:35:19 You're in denial, Marques.
Speaker 1:35:21 And I'll have to start catching up next week.
Andrew Manganelli 1:35:23 Marques depression indicator.
David Imel 1:35:24 [laughs]
Speaker 1:35:24 See you guys then. Peace.
Andrew Manganelli 1:35:27 Waveform is produced by Adam Elena and Ellis Rubin. We're part of the Vox Media Podcast Network, and our outro music was created by Vance Sil. It's the Waveform Bros. [upbeat music]
Speaker 1:35:44 So it went up by $100.
Speaker 1:35:45 Yeah.
Speaker 1:35:46 That's not that bad considering Ramageddon, you know?
Speaker 1:35:50 All right, we should talk about this on the podcast.
Speaker 1:35:51 Did it start at that-
Andrew Manganelli 1:35:52 The what?
Speaker 1:35:53 The podcast.
Speaker 1:35:53 What's the, what's a podcast?
Speaker 1:35:54 Oh, wait, look, we're conveniently sitting in front of microphones
Episode duration: 1:35:57
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Transcript of episode WVsG3daysEM
