
5 Natural Medicines Big Pharma Are Hiding From You! No.1 Herbal Medicine Expert
Simon Mills (guest), Steven Bartlett (host), Narrator
In this episode of The Diary of a CEO, featuring Simon Mills and Steven Bartlett, 5 Natural Medicines Big Pharma Are Hiding From You! No.1 Herbal Medicine Expert explores herbal Pioneer Reveals Everyday Foods Big Pharma Doesn’t Want Highlighted Herbal medicine expert Dr. Simon Mills argues that many common foods and herbs—like ginger, garlic, dark chocolate, turmeric, and green tea—are powerful, fast-acting medicines that can reduce reliance on pharmaceuticals. He explains how industrial medicine displaced traditional plant wisdom, and how overuse of drugs like antibiotics, PPIs (omeprazole), and NSAIDs can damage the microbiome, drive resistance, and worsen long‑term health.
Herbal Pioneer Reveals Everyday Foods Big Pharma Doesn’t Want Highlighted
Herbal medicine expert Dr. Simon Mills argues that many common foods and herbs—like ginger, garlic, dark chocolate, turmeric, and green tea—are powerful, fast-acting medicines that can reduce reliance on pharmaceuticals. He explains how industrial medicine displaced traditional plant wisdom, and how overuse of drugs like antibiotics, PPIs (omeprazole), and NSAIDs can damage the microbiome, drive resistance, and worsen long‑term health.
Central to his approach is the gut and its trillions-strong microbiome, which he describes as “running the show” and as the processing hub that turns plant compounds into potent, system‑wide medicines. He encourages people to see inflammation as a defense to be supported and modulated, not reflexively suppressed, and to trace chronic conditions back to upstream dysfunctions in digestion, liver, hormones, and metabolism.
Mills shares clinical case studies, practical kitchen‑level remedies, and simple diagnostic ideas (warming vs cooling herbs, taste tests) to help people “build a better boat” and become stronger and more self‑reliant in their health. He also highlights plant strategies for brain and cardiovascular health, menstrual and fertility issues, cholesterol, reflux, and chronic pain.
Throughout, he stresses diversity of plants (“eat the rainbow”), minimally processed, organically grown foods, and the use of evidence-based herbal preparations alongside—not necessarily instead of—conventional medicine.
Key Takeaways
Treat Food and Kitchen Spices as Potent Medicines
Many everyday items—ginger, cinnamon, garlic, dark chocolate, turmeric, cardamom, mint, and colorful fruits/vegetables—have rapid, physiological effects. ...
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Protect and Feed Your Microbiome—It ‘Runs the Show’
The gut microbiome (trillions of microbes outnumbering our own cells) is now understood to be central to digestion, immunity, metabolism, mood, and even brain function. ...
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Use Pharmaceuticals Strategically, Not Habitually
Mills is not anti‑drug, but he warns about routine, long‑term use of certain medicines. ...
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Think in Systems: Trace Chronic Symptoms Back Upstream
In practice, Mills rarely targets the symptom directly; he looks for earlier disruptions in systems like gut, liver, hormones, and circulation. ...
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Use Simple Tests to Personalize Herbs: Warming vs Cooling, Taste as a Guide
Mills uses traditional frameworks (warming vs cooling, bitter vs aromatic) anchored in modern physiology. ...
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Target Specific Problems With Concrete Herbal Strategies
For upper respiratory viral infections and colds, he suggests avoiding antibiotics and instead using warming spices (ginger, cinnamon, turmeric, chili), echinacea tincture (tingling on tongue to activate frontline immune cells in throat/tonsils), and resins like myrrh and frankincense for mouth, sinus, and throat infections. ...
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Address Metabolic and Hormonal Issues With Carbohydrate Control and Liver Support
Mills highlights insulin resistance as a core disruptor linking modern diets, PCOS, menstrual irregularities, and type 2 diabetes. ...
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Notable Quotes
“I can’t do anything about the sea and the waves, but I can help you to build a better boat that can sit better in the water.”
— Dr. Simon Mills
“We thought we knew what the kidney did, we thought we knew what the heart did, we thought we knew what the brain did. Well, we know they only do it because they work with a microbiome.”
— Dr. Simon Mills
“Antibiotic resistance… is the biggest threat we have. Soon, going into a hospital and getting an operation will be a real risk.”
— Dr. Simon Mills
“Inflammation is not the enemy. Inflammation is the defense measure that can sometimes overstay its welcome.”
— Dr. Simon Mills
“Cocoa, seriously, brain health as well, cardiovascular health… dark chocolate is a medicine. End of.”
— Dr. Simon Mills
Questions Answered in This Episode
When you decide between recommending a warming herb like ginger versus a cooling bitter for someone’s symptoms, what specific signs or history details most strongly sway your choice?
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For a patient already dependent on omeprazole with severe reflux, how exactly would you structure a 3–6 month taper plan using the RAFT method and diet changes, and what relapse patterns do you most often see?
Central to his approach is the gut and its trillions-strong microbiome, which he describes as “running the show” and as the processing hub that turns plant compounds into potent, system‑wide medicines. ...
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You compared turmeric/curcumin favorably to ibuprofen for some pain conditions but cautioned against calling it simply ‘anti-inflammatory’; in which clinical scenarios would you still prefer ibuprofen over turmeric, and why?
Mills shares clinical case studies, practical kitchen‑level remedies, and simple diagnostic ideas (warming vs cooling herbs, taste tests) to help people “build a better boat” and become stronger and more self‑reliant in their health. ...
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In your cancer patients who are undergoing chemotherapy or immunotherapy, what are the most evidence-backed herbs you feel comfortable integrating, and how do you navigate potential drug–herb interactions with oncologists?
Throughout, he stresses diversity of plants (“eat the rainbow”), minimally processed, organically grown foods, and the use of evidence-based herbal preparations alongside—not necessarily instead of—conventional medicine.
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You mentioned that women’s herbs from North America can ‘retime’ menstrual cycles and should be avoided by those who don’t want to conceive; can you detail which specific plants you rely on, the mechanisms you suspect, and how you test for safety in women with complex hormonal or fertility histories?
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Transcript Preview
That is the most widely prescribed drug in this country, and I believe in the US also. But the list of problems accruing from long-term use is beginning to grow and they're serious: cancers, dementias. But the other thing is, is that once you're on it, it's really difficult to come off it. And that's not all. We use far too many antibiotics, and that's becoming a serious health issue now, because the number of people dying from antibiotic resistance infections is beginning to rise dramatically. It's quite frightening.
So are there alternatives on this table that I should also consider as a form of medicine?
Oh, yes. And most of these ones I'm gonna be talking about have a pretty immediate effect. Now, have a bite of this.
Whoa!
For almost 50 years, Dr. Simon Mills has pioneered how we think about natural medicine, earning global recognition as one of the most respected and influential herbal practitioners of our time.
These things have medicinal properties. So let's start with dark chocolate. In terms of long-term brain health and cardiovascular health, it's one of the best medicines around.
Really?
Oh, yes. The next one is garlic. And in some parts of the world, they use garlic instead of penicillin. In fact, there was an old trick where if you had enough garlic, breathe on a Petri dish and you could kill various pathogens just with (laughs) your breath.
Wow!
And then there's this to reduce your cholesterol levels. This can really help with your eyesight. This is for your blood flow, gut health, cardiovascular health. Now, this is one of the ones to watch in terms of long-term brain health, rosemary. We actually did a clinical trial on this, and all you need to do is press it and sniff. So you can see why some of this stuff really is powerful. Now, we have some more to get through, and this is where it gets interesting. There's a lot of people listening who will want to hear this. Coffee.
Oh, God. What do I need to know?
So...
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