
WW3 Threat Assessment: World War III Has Quietly Started!
Andrew Bustamante (guest), Benjamin Radd (guest), Annie Jacobsen (guest), Steven Bartlett (host), Andrew Bustamante (guest), Steven Bartlett (host), Narrator, Narrator
In this episode of The Diary of a CEO, featuring Andrew Bustamante and Benjamin Radd, WW3 Threat Assessment: World War III Has Quietly Started! explores experts Warn: World War III Is Here—And It Barely Looks Military Three national‑security experts argue that the world has effectively entered an early, non‑traditional World War III defined more by proxy conflicts, cyber operations, economic coercion, and information warfare than by mass armies. They examine flashpoints like Iran–Israel, Russia–Ukraine, and China–Taiwan, and explain how nuclear risks, AI, and deepfakes sharply increase the chance of catastrophic miscalculation.
Experts Warn: World War III Is Here—And It Barely Looks Military
Three national‑security experts argue that the world has effectively entered an early, non‑traditional World War III defined more by proxy conflicts, cyber operations, economic coercion, and information warfare than by mass armies. They examine flashpoints like Iran–Israel, Russia–Ukraine, and China–Taiwan, and explain how nuclear risks, AI, and deepfakes sharply increase the chance of catastrophic miscalculation.
The conversation details how modern propaganda ecosystems, polarized politics, and declining civic literacy are eroding Western resilience and making democratic societies easier to destabilize from the outside. Nuclear weapons are framed as an existential backstop: unlikely to be used in classic ICBM exchanges, but increasingly vulnerable to accidents, misperception, or use by non‑state actors.
All three guests underscore that ordinary people are not powerless: better information hygiene, critical media literacy, civic engagement, and support for serious diplomacy can meaningfully reduce risk. Yet one expert is pessimistic enough about America’s trajectory that he is actively planning to leave the United States by 2026 for his family’s safety and perspective.
Key Takeaways
World War III is likely already underway—but it’s mostly non‑kinetic
Andrew argues we are in the early phases of World War III, just not in the World War II sense. ...
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Proxy warfare lets great powers fight “on the cheap” with enormous downside risk
Proxy war is defined as a rich state funding, training, and arming conflict in a poorer or already unstable state to weaken a primary adversary without risking its own troops. ...
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Nuclear danger is shifting from deliberate exchange to accidents and non‑state use
Annie and Andrew both stress that classic, strategic U. ...
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Iran’s nuclear program is about regime leverage and survival, not martyrdom
Benjamin explains the Islamic Republic rests on three pillars—independence from the West, hostility to Israel, and exporting the Islamic revolution. ...
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Information warfare and AI are collapsing trust and increasing escalation risk
All three describe an “age of the algorithm” in which social media, deepfakes, and AI‑generated content erode any monopoly on truth. ...
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Western polarization and civic illiteracy are becoming national‑security vulnerabilities
The guests argue that internal ignorance, tribal politics, and media fragmentation create fertile ground for foreign manipulation. ...
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Individuals can’t stop war, but they can manage risk and increase resilience
At the personal level, they recommend disciplined media consumption, teaching children media literacy (even having them build fake content to understand how it’s done), engaging locally in civic life, and seeking varied, high‑quality sources instead of doom‑scrolling. ...
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Notable Quotes
“I believe that we are already at the early stages, if not in World War III. It just doesn't look like the wars of the past.”
— Andrew
“We are one misunderstanding, one miscalculation away – or even one AI‑generated viral video – from nuclear annihilation.”
— Benjamin (building on Annie and Guterres)
“No time in my life have we been closer to thinking about this reality than right now.”
— Annie
“Ignorance comes first. We’re not trying to make an audience ignorant; we’re finding an ignorant audience and then giving them messaging to get them to take action.”
— Andrew
“If you see a mushroom cloud, run towards it, because you will much prefer the sunburn than the survival rate afterwards.”
— Andrew
Questions Answered in This Episode
You described Israel as effectively acting as a U.S. proxy against Iran. What concrete intelligence or policy signals would you look for to confirm or falsify that framing over the next 12–24 months?
Three national‑security experts argue that the world has effectively entered an early, non‑traditional World War III defined more by proxy conflicts, cyber operations, economic coercion, and information warfare than by mass armies. ...
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If you were red‑teaming the U.S. nuclear command system, what specific failure modes (technical, human, or political) worry you the most, and what reforms would realistically reduce the risk of a mistaken launch?
The conversation details how modern propaganda ecosystems, polarized politics, and declining civic literacy are eroding Western resilience and making democratic societies easier to destabilize from the outside. ...
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You argued that Iran’s regime is rationally focused on survival, not martyrdom. What developments inside Iran—public unrest, IRGC succession, economic collapse—could push it toward more desperate or reckless nuclear behavior?
All three guests underscore that ordinary people are not powerless: better information hygiene, critical media literacy, civic engagement, and support for serious diplomacy can meaningfully reduce risk. ...
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Given the Shahed drone example with NVIDIA chips and Chinese jamming, what practical controls (export controls, chip design changes, software locks) could the West implement to stop its own high‑end tech from quietly powering adversaries’ autonomous weapons?
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Andrew plans to leave the United States because he sees it as a declining, increasingly fragile hegemon. For those who choose to stay, what would a serious, realistic ‘stay and fix it’ agenda look like in terms of civic education, information policy, and foreign‑policy restraint?
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Transcript Preview
I believe that we are already at the early stages, if not in World War III.
It just doesn't look like the wars of the past.
And people should understand what is at stake, which is we are one misunderstanding, one miscalculation away-
Or even one AI-generated viral video.
... from nuclear annihilation.
Is there anything at all you're doing to prepare?
I'm leaving the United States by 2026.
But is there anywhere on this map that is safe at all?
So, my understanding is that there's actually three safe zones.
You are right. Uh-
There's Hawaii-
Nope. Because there's so many targets in Hawaii, and same with all of Europe. But there's one tiny little place right there.
So, where do we find ourself in terms of conflict and warfare now?
It's getting worse. And-
In the past, it was whoever had the strongest military. Now, you can destabilize a government or a society using a server farm and 20 people sitting in a room thousands of miles away.
And another real problem we have right now is that the different political parties inside the United States are so intent on taking down the other side, they do it at the national security peril.
So now, Russia or China can play people off against one another and cause division.
Andrew, what do you think happens next?
Well, I think World War III is gonna be shaped by what we call proxy war, where a wealthy nation state funds, trains, and arms conflict in a less wealthy state to decrease the capability of your primary target.
So, they're using that nation to do the work for them?
Exactly right. That's already happening.
And what's the probability of nuclear war?
So, here's a terrifying detail that the public does not know. So...
Wow.
Listen, to my regular listeners, I know you don't like it when I ask you to subscribe at the start of these conversations. I don't like saying it, I don't like it being in there. None of us like it. It's frustrating. Do you know what's also frustrating? It's also frustrating when I go into the backend of a YouTube channel and I see that 56% of you that listen frequently to this podcast haven't yet subscribed, and so many of you don't even know that you haven't subscribed, because I see in the comments section, you say to me, you go, "I didn't even realize I didn't subscribe." And that actually fuels the show. It's basically like you're making a donation to the show. So, that's why I ask all the time, because it enables us to build and build and build and build, and we're going for the long term here. So, all I'd ask you is if you've seen this show before and you like it, help me, help my team here, hit the subscribe button, and we'll continue to build this show for you. That's my promise. Thank you to all of you guys that do subscribe. It means the world to me. Let's get on with the show. I invited you all here today because I intuitively feel like the world is changing before our eyes, and I think so many of us, if we're on social media or reading newspapers, can feel a sort of tension growing in society that is hard to understand if you're not an expert or you're not connected to these subjects in some way. I looked at some stats before this conversation that kind of support this feeling that I've intuitively had, and it shows that conflict zones across the world have increased by 66% in the last three years. In December 2024, the American think tank Atlantic Council asked about 400 global strategists about their thoughts about what's going on in the world, and 65% think that China will evade, invade Taiwan by force within 10 years. About 40% think there'll be a world war in the next 10 years. About 50% think nuclear weapons will be used in the next 10 years. And about 45% think Russia and NATO will fight directly. When we look at sort of spending and what's happening there, there's been a huge jump in military spending. There's now 300,000 NATO troops around the world that are on 30-day high-alert readiness. 59 states, um, have erupted in war since 2023, which is the greatest number logged in any year since 1946. And world military spending is up by about 10% year over year, which is the highest sum ever recorded by SIPR, making it a full decade of uninterrupted growth in military spending. Things feel tense, and every time I turn on the news, I have a mild sense of anxiety. So, I've gathered you three here today to help me as a muggle, as a normal person that doesn't have an understanding, parse through what's going on, and hopefully what we can do about this. Benjamin, to start with you, introductions. What's your context and what's the perspective/experience you bring to this conversation?
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