Suicidal Drug Addict To Elite Military Commando with Ben Williams | E68

Suicidal Drug Addict To Elite Military Commando with Ben Williams | E68

The Diary of a CEOFeb 15, 20211h 59m

Ben Williams (guest), Steven Bartlett (host), Narrator, Narrator, Ben Williams (guest)

Impact of childhood instability, domestic violence, and frequent school movesDrug use, steroid abuse, and identity-seeking through bouncer cultureNightclub manslaughter incident and resulting guilt, purposelessness, and suicidalityRoyal Marines training, combat in Afghanistan, and the Commando Mindset valuesSerious IED injury, PTSD, court martial, and medical discharge from the militaryWork with Gareth Southgate and the England football team on mindset and valuesFounding Lupine, a mental‑health tech platform, and surviving a startup cash crisis

In this episode of The Diary of a CEO, featuring Ben Williams and Steven Bartlett, Suicidal Drug Addict To Elite Military Commando with Ben Williams | E68 explores from Suicidal Drug Addict To Elite Commando And Tech Founder Ben Williams describes his journey from a chaotic childhood, drug addiction, and a fatal incident as a nightclub bouncer to becoming a Royal Marine Commando, war veteran, and later an entrepreneur and performance coach.

From Suicidal Drug Addict To Elite Commando And Tech Founder

Ben Williams describes his journey from a chaotic childhood, drug addiction, and a fatal incident as a nightclub bouncer to becoming a Royal Marine Commando, war veteran, and later an entrepreneur and performance coach.

A chance Royal Marines YouTube advert at his lowest point became the catalyst for quitting drugs, rebuilding discipline, and pursuing his childhood dream despite deep guilt, trauma, and suicidal ideation.

He explains the ‘Commando Mindset’—values like courage, excellence, integrity, and cheerfulness in adversity—and how they shaped his responses to combat, injury from an IED, PTSD, and being medically discharged.

Ben then details applying that mindset to civilian life: coaching elite performers such as Harry Kane and Gareth Southgate’s England team, and founding Lupine, a mental‑health tech startup, which survived near-failure during the pandemic.

Key Takeaways

Childhood instability silently shapes adult behaviour and unprocessed trauma re-emerges later.

Ben’s early exposure to an ‘aggravated’ parental separation, domestic incidents, and repeated school moves made anger, mistrust of males, and not fitting in feel ‘normal. ...

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Seeking identity through ‘alpha’ roles and substances is a fragile coping mechanism.

Feeling purposeless and lacking male role models, Ben chased an ‘alpha male’ identity via steroids, security work, and violence. ...

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A clear purpose can override addiction, but the hardest step is starting.

At his lowest—daily coke use, cleaning school toilets, suicidal drive in his car—Ben stumbled on a Royal Marines advert: ‘99. ...

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Values-led mental frameworks can stabilise you in extreme adversity.

In combat, Ben relied on the Marines’ ethos: courage, determination, excellence, self-discipline, integrity, cheerfulness, and humility. ...

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Excellence is about incremental striving, not perfection or participation trophies.

Ben distinguishes excellence (continuous 0. ...

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Trauma doesn’t end when the event ends; decompression and honest dialogue are crucial.

After Afghanistan, Ben felt forgotten and emotionally ‘still in Afghan’ while back in a Birmingham hospital. ...

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Elite mindsets are transferable to business and tech but don’t remove struggle.

Post-discharge, Ben moved from training recruits to coaching England’s football team on values and then co-founding Lupine, a Slack/Teams-integrated tool that pulses employee wellbeing and flags early issues. ...

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Notable Quotes

You can’t even go and kill yourself. You can’t even go hurt yourself. You’re fucking useless.

Ben Williams (self-talk)

If yes, don’t even bother filling out the form… 99.99% need not apply.

Royal Marines recruitment advert (described by Ben)

Integrity in the Marines is your virginity, you can only lose it once.

Ben Williams

If you don’t laugh at it, it’ll laugh at you.

Ben Williams (on cheerfulness in adversity)

The biggest critics never stand on the start line with you.

Ben Williams

Questions Answered in This Episode

When you look back at the manslaughter incident on the nightclub door, is there anything specific from that night you still feel you haven’t fully processed or forgiven yourself for?

Ben Williams describes his journey from a chaotic childhood, drug addiction, and a fatal incident as a nightclub bouncer to becoming a Royal Marine Commando, war veteran, and later an entrepreneur and performance coach.

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You described ‘check your fucking flashes’ as instantly reconnecting you to who you were; what practical equivalent would you suggest for someone in an office or startup when panic or fear hits?

A chance Royal Marines YouTube advert at his lowest point became the catalyst for quitting drugs, rebuilding discipline, and pursuing his childhood dream despite deep guilt, trauma, and suicidal ideation.

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Has there ever been a moment in civilian life—perhaps during Lupine’s funding crisis—where the ARA framework didn’t work for you, or you ignored it and paid the price?

He explains the ‘Commando Mindset’—values like courage, excellence, integrity, and cheerfulness in adversity—and how they shaped his responses to combat, injury from an IED, PTSD, and being medically discharged.

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You were strongly critical of participation trophies and soft standards; how do you balance that philosophy with compassion when leading people who genuinely are at their psychological limit?

Ben then details applying that mindset to civilian life: coaching elite performers such as Harry Kane and Gareth Southgate’s England team, and founding Lupine, a mental‑health tech startup, which survived near-failure during the pandemic.

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If you could redesign Royal Marines decompression and aftercare based on your own struggles with PTSD and court martial, what concrete changes would you implement to prevent the kind of spirals you and others went through?

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Transcript Preview

Ben Williams

Why am I at this point? And how the hell has someone died under my watch? (dramatic music) You can't even go and kill yourself. You can't even go hurt yourself. You're all fucking useless. (dramatic music) And I'm bel- beneath the surface, and you can hear the thumps overhead, like... (mimics thumping sounds) (dramatic music) And I turned around and looked at

Steven Bartlett

Wow. This is the most gripping, inspiring, twisting conversation I've ever had on this podcast, ever. If you're squeamish, I'm gonna have to ask you to prepare. But even if you are, I'm begging you to follow this story. My guest grew up in a broken home, one plagued with domestic violence, with abuse, with heartbreak, and he moved to five, six, seven different schools as he stumbled through his childhood trying to find his way, trying to find out who he was, and then stumbled through his adolescence looking for purpose in life. And he was met with rejection, with pain, with confusion, with barriers. And as he spiraled into daily drug abuse, into addiction and into purposelessness, a job that he hoped would give him that sense of purpose ended in a manslaughter case. And this tragedy only caused him to spiral further. And as he reached the depths of his despair, he made that decision one day that he was going to leave his house, go for a drive, and end his life. For whatever reason, and thankfully, he didn't go through with it. And by fate or luck or faith or whatever you want to call it, whatever you believe, a short YouTube advert that popped up one day out of the blue would be the catalyst for him to pull himself out of his darkest, most desperate moment, to give up drugs, to overcome his mental challenges, to brush himself off, and to pursue his childhood dreams. He went from suicidal drug addict to elite commando, developing what he calls the Commando Mindset, a mindset and a set of values that you can learn. But his story doesn't stop there. His time as a commando is riddled with graphic violence, with heartbreak, with being injured by the Taliban while at war. He'll describe the moments after he was blown up, and turning around and seeing his friends laying there behind him in pieces, and losing some of those friends, being discharged from the military because of his injury, grappling with PTSD, finding comfort in alcohol and addiction again, getting himself in trouble with the law, finding him- himself in court, facing four years in prison, and then rebuilding himself once again, launching an incredible coaching company and working with elite performers, Harry Kane, Gareth Southgate, and the whole England team before they went off to the World Cup. And then the pandemic comes, and his coaching business collapses. But in typical Ben Williams fashion, adversity doesn't dictate his outcome. Thanks to the values ingrained in his Commando Mindset, he bounces back to launch an incredible tech company. What a wild, emotional, gripping ride you're about to go on. Honestly, congratulations for choosing to listen to this episode. Without further ado, I'm Steven Bartlett, and this is the Diary of a CEO. I hope nobody is listening, but if you are, then please keep this to yourself. (dramatic music) Ben, from doing this podcast over the last couple of years, one of the things that I've been reminded of, and, uh, an idea that's been reinforced in my mind is how important all of our childhoods are in influencing what we then become. And I studied childhood psychology between the age of like 16 and 18, and it blew my mind to understand, especially in those early years, how that sort of fundamentally shapes who we then become as adults. And it's, and it's, in some respects, often quite hard to shake.

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