
Former FBI Agent: If They Do This Please RUN! Narcissists Favourite Trick To Control You!
Joe Navarro (guest), Steven Bartlett (host), Narrator, Narrator
In this episode of The Diary of a CEO, featuring Joe Navarro and Steven Bartlett, Former FBI Agent: If They Do This Please RUN! Narcissists Favourite Trick To Control You! explores ex-FBI Profiler Reveals Hidden Body Language That Instantly Exposes Control Former FBI agent and behavioral analyst Joe Navarro explains how non-verbal communication, evolutionary psychology, and subtle behavioral cues can be used to read others and influence interactions in everyday life and high-stakes negotiations.
Ex-FBI Profiler Reveals Hidden Body Language That Instantly Exposes Control
Former FBI agent and behavioral analyst Joe Navarro explains how non-verbal communication, evolutionary psychology, and subtle behavioral cues can be used to read others and influence interactions in everyday life and high-stakes negotiations.
He shows how micro-signals in the face, hands, posture, and timing reveal comfort, fear, deception, and confidence long before words do—and how exploiting or correcting these can determine outcomes in business, relationships, and espionage.
Navarro shares spy-catching stories, including identifying a traitor from a shaking cigarette and an illegal agent from how he carried flowers, illustrating how observation and thin-slice judgments work in real time.
He also outlines five traits of exceptional people, the dangers of narcissists, and practical ways to build confidence, create psychological comfort, and protect yourself from toxic personalities.
Key Takeaways
Reading comfort versus discomfort is more reliable than decoding specific ‘lying’ signals.
Navarro emphasizes that humans evolved to signal comfort or discomfort rather than precise truths or lies. ...
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Thin-slice judgments and first impressions happen in milliseconds and are hard to undo.
Referencing Nalini Ambady’s research, Navarro notes that people form reasonably accurate impressions (about warmth, competence, empathy) in as little as three milliseconds, with about 75% accuracy. ...
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Control of time is a powerful, underused non-verbal in negotiations.
Whoever controls time—pace of conversation, when breaks happen, how fast you respond—subtly controls the interaction. ...
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Confidence is a trainable behavior built from specific competencies, not vague bravado.
Navarro rejects “just be confident” advice; instead, he recommends mastering one concrete thing first (how you make your bed, one technical skill, a sport), then stacking additional competencies. ...
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Synchrony and mirroring create rapport and make others more receptive.
From greeting posture to hand placement and speech rhythm, humans are wired to feel harmony when rhythms match. ...
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Psychological comfort is the real objective in deals, leadership, and relationships.
Humans don’t seek perfection; we seek psychological comfort. ...
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Narcissists and toxic leaders rarely change; the only winning move is exit planning.
Malignant narcissists overvalue themselves, devalue others, demand loyalty they don’t reciprocate, and routinely lie while expecting your honesty. ...
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Notable Quotes
“Whoever controls time controls.”
— Joe Navarro
“Humans don’t seek perfection. What we seek is psychological comfort, and whoever provides that is the soonest winner.”
— Joe Navarro
“If you want to achieve confidence, know everything that you can about a particular subject.”
— Joe Navarro
“We now know that that assessment is made in the first three milliseconds. That’s faster than your blink rate.”
— Joe Navarro
“You will pay a price for being in the proximity of a toxic individual… If you become that person’s chew toy, you will suffer immensely.”
— Joe Navarro
Questions Answered in This Episode
You describe first impressions forming in about three milliseconds—if someone knows they gave a bad initial impression in a pitch or interview, what specific non-verbal ‘reset’ techniques can they use in the next 60 seconds to recover some of that lost ground?
Former FBI agent and behavioral analyst Joe Navarro explains how non-verbal communication, evolutionary psychology, and subtle behavioral cues can be used to read others and influence interactions in everyday life and high-stakes negotiations.
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In the Ramsey case, you acted on a very small behavioral cue (the shaking cigarette) that could have been coincidence; what are the guardrails you use to avoid over-interpreting signals and chasing false positives in high-stakes investigations?
He shows how micro-signals in the face, hands, posture, and timing reveal comfort, fear, deception, and confidence long before words do—and how exploiting or correcting these can determine outcomes in business, relationships, and espionage.
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You argue that whoever provides psychological comfort ‘wins’ first—how would you apply that principle when negotiating with a counterpart who is deliberately trying to keep you off-balance and uncomfortable as a power tactic?
Navarro shares spy-catching stories, including identifying a traitor from a shaking cigarette and an illegal agent from how he carried flowers, illustrating how observation and thin-slice judgments work in real time.
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For someone who realizes their current boss fits many malignant narcissist traits but they are financially trapped for at least a year, what concrete behavioral strategies would you recommend to minimize psychological and career damage during that exit runway?
He also outlines five traits of exceptional people, the dangers of narcissists, and practical ways to build confidence, create psychological comfort, and protect yourself from toxic personalities.
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Your five traits of exceptional people hinge heavily on self-directed learning and observation; if you were designing a one-year ‘self-mastery’ program for a 20-year-old today, what daily and weekly practices would you prescribe to build those traits as quickly and robustly as possible?
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Transcript Preview
I was in the FBI for 25 years. I have sat with spies and enemies of this country, and I learned a lot about human behaviors. Imagine being able to read other people and circumstances faster. It gives you a tremendous advantage in your life.
I want to hit everything.
So one of the first things I teach is...
Joe Navarro is a former FBI agent turned world-renowned body language expert.
He helps people decode body language to improve communication, trust, and influence.
One of the things that I've found in negotiations is we, as humans, communicate quite a lot with our faces. For instance, we push this together when we don't understand something, and then the minute we hear something we don't like, blood actually begins to leave the lips, and then we begin to tighten them. Another behavior is that when there's a lack of confidence, insecurities, people immediately... So once we understand these behaviors, you can take command of any situation.
Confidence, is this something that you're born with, or do you think confidence can be trained?
It can absolutely be trained, so the FBI actually teach confidence, and there's a lot of strategies. One of them is the most powerful gesture that we can use, and you see Musk do this a lot, but what I tell people is that the easiest way to learn confidence is to...
Joe, we actually videoed my interaction with you when I met you, and I've got the video here.
So one of the things you immediately did was... Don't do that. It's a no-no.
This has always blown my mind a little bit. 53% of you that listen to this show regularly haven't yet subscribed to the show. So could I ask you for a favor before we start? If you like this show and you like what we do here and you want to support us, the free, simple way that you can do just that is by hitting the subscribe button. And my commitment to you is, if you do that, then I'll do everything in my power, me and my team, to make sure that this show is better for you every single week. We'll listen to your feedback, we'll find the guests that you want me to speak to, and we'll continue to do what we do. Thank you so much. Joe, zooming out, if someone asked you in the street and they wanted a two-sentence answer, "Who are you and what have you spent your life doing?" How would you answer that question?
With one word: teaching. I think I've spent my whole life teaching. Even, even when I was in the FBI, uh, starting in 1984, a lot of my job was obviously being an FBI agent, investigating crimes, uh, chasing after spies and so forth, but, uh, you know, I hired on in 1978, but as early as '84, I was already teaching, and, um, I love it when, when people get it and they, they see a behavior, they understand the, uh, underpinnings, the foundation of why we do certain things. I'll give you an example. Sometimes you'll come to a horrible, uh, scene and, uh, people immediately (gasps) gasp, they take in air, and then they cover their, their, their mouths, or there's one point difference on the scoreboard and people are like this, and they don't understand. This is, this is, uh, back where we were surrounded by lions and tigers and we learned to cover our mouths so as not to broadcast our breath so that they couldn't see where we were or find us, and uh, and so the human body has, uh, a few shortcuts. I should say the human brain. They're called heuristics. And so one of them is to freeze, uh, so when we hear a loud sound or we see a predator or a dog, we, we, we freeze. Obviously whoever ran 300,000 years ago, uh, was bitten. Um, and so we have these shortcuts and uh, and it's always fascinating to me to share why we have these behaviors and why we... And you realize you just inhaled so you can hold your breath, and then we cover our breath so we don't broadcast for the, the predators to, to smell us.
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