Krept: From Rapper To Building A £17.5 Million Baby Business! | E164

Krept: From Rapper To Building A £17.5 Million Baby Business! | E164

The Diary of a CEOJul 28, 20221h 47m

Krept (guest), Narrator, Narrator, Steven Bartlett (host), Narrator

Growing up amid gangs, violence, and family instability in South LondonPivotal decision to pursue music after Konan’s family was shotGrief, masculinity, and the stigma around mental health and therapyLaunching and struggling with Crepes & Cones restaurantMoney, credit traps, and financial literacy in hip‑hop cultureBuilding and scaling Nala’s Baby into a £17.5m brand with BootsImportance of people, team selection, and over‑delivering on opportunities

In this episode of The Diary of a CEO, featuring Krept and Narrator, Krept: From Rapper To Building A £17.5 Million Baby Business! | E164 explores from South London Streets To £17.5m Baby Brand Trailblazer Rapper Krept (Casyo Johnson) charts his journey from gang-exposed South London youth to successful musician and co‑founder of £17.5m baby skincare brand, Nala’s Baby. He details pivotal sliding‑door moments: choosing music over violent retaliation, rebuilding after business trauma, and learning to navigate grief after losing his best friend Nash and cousin Cadet. The conversation explores masculinity and mental health, money traps in hip‑hop culture, and the brutal realities of the restaurant business versus building a scalable consumer brand. Throughout, Krept emphasizes over‑delivering on opportunities, surrounding yourself with experts, and refusing to be limited by labels or background.

From South London Streets To £17.5m Baby Brand Trailblazer

Rapper Krept (Casyo Johnson) charts his journey from gang-exposed South London youth to successful musician and co‑founder of £17.5m baby skincare brand, Nala’s Baby. He details pivotal sliding‑door moments: choosing music over violent retaliation, rebuilding after business trauma, and learning to navigate grief after losing his best friend Nash and cousin Cadet. The conversation explores masculinity and mental health, money traps in hip‑hop culture, and the brutal realities of the restaurant business versus building a scalable consumer brand. Throughout, Krept emphasizes over‑delivering on opportunities, surrounding yourself with experts, and refusing to be limited by labels or background.

Key Takeaways

Sliding‑door decisions can permanently redirect your life trajectory.

After Konan’s stepdad was killed and his mum was shot, Krept and friends sat in a car and consciously chose to focus on music instead of retaliating. ...

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Over‑delivering on small opportunities creates cascading ‘domino effects’.

Krept and Konan treated an Apple radio show like a flagship production—booking high‑profile guests, adding games, and making it genuinely entertaining despite being paid the same as everyone else. ...

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Business trauma can and should harden your due‑diligence instincts, not kill your ambition.

Crepes & Cones nearly broke him: disappearing builders, overcharging middlemen, staff unreliability, theft, emotional overload and COVID all hit at once—on top of Nash’s suicide days before launch. ...

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Suppressing grief and emotions is a common male coping strategy—but it carries long‑term risk.

Krept admits his default is to stay on a ‘treadmill’: work until he’s exhausted, sleep, repeat—never sitting still long enough to fully process the deaths of Nash, Cadet and his uncle. ...

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Don’t let early money force you into lifestyle inflation; the silent costs will crush you.

Both Stephen and Krept describe destroying their credit with student overdrafts and impulsive spending when they first got money. ...

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Find information and structures the system never teaches you—then use them.

Discovering mechanisms like EIS/SEIS tax relief and R&D credits shocked Krept; he couldn’t believe such tools existed while so many people in his community know nothing about them. ...

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Surround yourself with people who know more than you—and don’t be scared of that discomfort.

Moving into baby skincare and retail, Krept deliberately brought in seasoned experts and a serious manufacturer, then trusted them to do their job while he focused on vision and high standards. ...

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Notable Quotes

We can either go and retaliate or we take this music thing seriously and actually try to make it out of where we're coming from.

Krept

Just for temporary feelings, you know, a decision you can make can make a permanent outcome.

Krept

You should always feel uncomfortable, almost like you shouldn't be here. And that's the growth room, man.

Krept

If this was a millimeter deeper, then it would've been a different scenario.

Krept (recalling paramedics after the backstage stabbing)

You'd never put a rapper launching a baby skincare line in the same sentence.

Krept

Questions Answered in This Episode

When you were in that car after Konan’s stepdad was killed, what specific thoughts or images convinced you that choosing music over retaliation was the only path worth taking?

Rapper Krept (Casyo Johnson) charts his journey from gang-exposed South London youth to successful musician and co‑founder of £17. ...

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You’ve said you’re scared to get off the ‘treadmill’ and fully confront your grief—if you did start therapy tomorrow, what’s the first memory or moment you’d want to unpack with a professional?

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Looking back at Crepes & Cones, if you could rewrite that entire venture from day one with the knowledge you have now, what three concrete changes in process or people would you make?

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For young artists tempted to spend their first big cheque on branding items like chains and cars, how would you practically structure a £100,000 payout between ‘image’, savings, and investments if you were advising them today?

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In building Nala’s Baby, what was the hardest ‘expert opinion’ you disagreed with, and how did you decide whether to trust your instincts as a rapper‑turned‑founder versus deferring to industry veterans?

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Transcript Preview

Krept

Someone grabbed my chain, and then I just remember seeing knives.

Narrator

A BBC live music event was ended early last night. The rapper, Krept, was attacked backstage.

Krept

If this was a millimeter deeper, then it would've been a different scenario.

Narrator

He's a rapper and has collaborated with the likes of Headie One and Stormzy. Krept and Kone!

Narrator

She is the freak of the week.

Krept

Kone and Stepdad was killed.

Narrator

Karan out of the room trying to fight them. Two more gunshots. Everything silent.

Krept

We can either go and retaliate or we take this music thing seriously, actually try to make it out of where we're coming from. The next thing we put out went viral. Skepta reached out and said, "Oh, we wanna bring you guys on tour." It was such a life-changing moment for us. We started doing radio, TV, and we started branching out.

Narrator

Narler's Baby, full of natural goodness.

Krept

You would never put a rapper launching a baby skincare line in the same sentence. You should always feel uncomfortable, almost like you shouldn't be here. And that's the growth room, man. You can't be afraid of that.

Steven Bartlett

Do you know what the company's valued at?

Krept

17 and a half.

Steven Bartlett

What do you think Blaine would think of Narler Baby?

Narrator

Cadet, whose real name was Blaine Johnson, has died.

Krept

He was on the brink of doing something great. (instrumental music plays)

Steven Bartlett

What's on your mind?

Krept

We've got this complex, like, I'm not gonna cry. Like it makes you feel like less of a man or something. I swear this scares me.

Steven Bartlett

So without further ado, I'm Stephen Bartlett, and this is The Diary of a CEO. I hope nobody's listening, but if you are, then please keep this to yourself. (instrumental music plays) Krept, first of all, thank you for being here. I think it's... Gotta be honest, I think you're one of the smartest looking guests I've ever had sit in the chair.

Krept

(laughs)

Steven Bartlett

I'm very jealous of your outfit today.

Krept

Thank you, man.

Steven Bartlett

It's, it's sick. I mean, the designer's a friend of mine who, um, who I met in Manchester a couple of, couple of months back. But where I wanted to start with you is, um, back in South London, back in Croydon. I want you to, if you can, give me the context in which you were, you were raised. And when I say context, I mean like what were those things in your environment at an early age that ultimately shaped who you were and left those little kind of foot... Those fingerprints on your personality and character?

Krept

To be honest, like, when I was younger and when I was in school, like, all I knew and all my friendships knew were, you know, gangs and, you know, that kind of lifestyle. That's all that we saw. Like, you know, everybody that I would go to school with or, you know, outside of school, that was... That's what it was. And, you know, we got caught up in a load of nonsense growing up, but I was one of those people that always saw the bigger picture, and I always thought, "I don't wanna end up going to jail, and I don't wanna end up dying," because that's what I saw. Like, I, I've lost so much friends due to, you know, coming from where we're coming from, and like seeing friends that I've grown up with pass away to violence or crimes or, you know. Friends, I've got loads of friends that are in jail for life, and some for even things they didn't even do. So I always used to be like, you know, when, when, when my friends was doing this or doing that, I'd always be like, "I wanna, I wanna try and do this and try and do that," and I... Because I do not wanna end up in jail or dying. Like, that was, you know... That's what we was used to, like, and it's sad because it's like... It felt so normal. Like, the first time, you know, I was like 13 and hearing gunshots outside my house and coming out and someone's on the floor dead, and I'm a 13-year-old young boy, and it was like it was normal. It wasn't even like something that seemed abnormal at the time. It just felt like this is how it is when you live where you live or where you're from where you're from, and that's what it was. Do you know what I mean? And I feel like I've always, always had my eye on being more than that. Like, all the time. So when, you know, my friends was getting involved in certain things, I was like, "No, I'm gonna, I'm gonna finish college, I'm gonna go to university, and I'm gonna try my best to keep myself, you know, on a positive path." Like, and I always thought this all the time, and I always said, "Yeah, I'm not gonna, I'm not gonna fall into this trap," because I'm seeing, you know, my friends falling into... I'm seeing my friends go to jail, I'm seeing my friends die, and I'm like, like, "When is it..." And it's, and it doesn't end. It doesn't stop. You know, new issues happen. Now, you know, you've got a problem with these people because of this, or like... And it just... It's a constant cycle, and I feel like I didn't want to get trapped in that cycle.

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