
Mary Portas: How To Stop Living A Life That Isn't True To You | E85
Mary Portas (guest), Steven Bartlett (host), Narrator, Narrator
In this episode of The Diary of a CEO, featuring Mary Portas and Steven Bartlett, Mary Portas: How To Stop Living A Life That Isn't True To You | E85 explores mary Portas On Success, Grief, And Finally Living Authentically, Kindly Mary Portas unpacks the gap between her outward success and inner unhappiness, tracing it back to unprocessed childhood grief, ego-driven achievement, and living as a caricature of herself. She describes how the deaths of her parents, early responsibility, and later fame led her to suppress her sensitivity in favor of a hard‑driving persona.
Mary Portas On Success, Grief, And Finally Living Authentically, Kindly
Mary Portas unpacks the gap between her outward success and inner unhappiness, tracing it back to unprocessed childhood grief, ego-driven achievement, and living as a caricature of herself. She describes how the deaths of her parents, early responsibility, and later fame led her to suppress her sensitivity in favor of a hard‑driving persona.
A turning point came in mid‑life, when exhaustion and daily tears forced her to confront how deeply she was living for ego, status and consumption rather than her true self. Since then, meditation, philosophy, and spiritual inquiry have helped her reconnect with intuition, soften her anger, and redesign both her life and business.
Portas argues for a ‘Kindness Economy’ where companies prioritize people and planet alongside profit, building cultures of connection, compassion and purpose rather than pure growth at any cost. She is especially vocal on the dangers of remote‑only work, toxic consumerism, and social media‑driven status anxiety.
Throughout, she and Steven Bartlett explore grief, intuition, labels, sexuality, work culture, and the quiet moments where real joy lives — offering a candid, often funny, but fundamentally challenging invitation to stop living a life that isn’t true to you.
Key Takeaways
Unprocessed grief and early responsibility can harden you into a persona that isn’t your true self.
Portas lost her mother at 16 and her father shortly after, was effectively left homeless, and became the de‑facto adult in the family. ...
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Living by ego and external success eventually leads to exhaustion and disconnection.
At 48, with TV shows, a fashion collection, a booming business and public fame, she was crying almost daily. ...
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Meditation and spiritual inquiry can genuinely change your emotional patterns and resilience.
Portas credits meditation and reading spiritual/philosophical writers (Eckhart Tolle, Rumi, others) with softening her temper and helping her manage pain. ...
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Intuition is a critical business and life tool, and ignoring it is costly.
She says her biggest mistakes came from overriding her intuition: staying too long in relationships that felt wrong, taking clients she didn’t like because of the money, or letting data and logic override instinct in creative work. ...
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Human connection and physical spaces of community (offices, high streets) are non‑negotiable for wellbeing.
Portas is fiercely critical of remote‑only work as a default cost‑saving move. ...
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Our consumer culture runs on manufactured inadequacy; status must shift from “stuff” to sentience and contribution.
Drawing from her own role in luxury retail, she calls out how marketing and social media (exemplified by the Kardashians) sell products by convincing people they’re 'not good enough' without them. ...
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A Kindness Economy is commercially viable and morally necessary.
Portas lays out a framework where businesses start with a real purpose, then design everything — pay, leadership, manufacturing, culture, customer relationships — to be 'better to people and better to the planet'. ...
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Notable Quotes
“I was doing TV shows, radio shows, I had my own collection, I had the business… Oh God, how shit is that life? And I lost me in that.”
— Mary Portas
“We were blind. We were blind consumers living a life while we slowly killed the planet and our wellbeing. So it has to be you guys that go, 'No.'”
— Mary Portas
“I just didn’t stop to truly connect with me. I picked up Eckhart Tolle’s A New Earth and thought, 'Oh my God, I’ve got the world wrong.'”
— Mary Portas
“Think of a time when you’ve never had enough. I’ve had very little money, but I’ve always lived. When has the world never truly looked after you?”
— Mary Portas
“The trivial things are what make up our lives. Take away those little human contacts and we squeeze our souls.”
— Mary Portas
Questions Answered in This Episode
You describe the moment with your newborn and your 18‑year‑old as the catalyst for the Kindness Economy. If that moment hadn’t happened, where do you think you’d be now and would this shift ever have occurred?
Mary Portas unpacks the gap between her outward success and inner unhappiness, tracing it back to unprocessed childhood grief, ego-driven achievement, and living as a caricature of herself. ...
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When you first read 'A New Earth' and realized you’d been living for your ego, what was the very first concrete change you made in your daily life or business that signaled you were serious about living differently?
A turning point came in mid‑life, when exhaustion and daily tears forced her to confront how deeply she was living for ego, status and consumption rather than her true self. ...
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You’re blunt about remote‑only work harming younger employees, but how would you respond to a 25‑year‑old who says the office culture they’ve known is toxic, cliquey, or exploitative and they feel safer at home?
Portas argues for a ‘Kindness Economy’ where companies prioritize people and planet alongside profit, building cultures of connection, compassion and purpose rather than pure growth at any cost. ...
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Looking back at your time at Harvey Nichols and on TV, can you name one campaign or show moment you now see as actively harmful in terms of consumerism or self‑esteem, and how would you redesign it today under the Kindness Economy?
Throughout, she and Steven Bartlett explore grief, intuition, labels, sexuality, work culture, and the quiet moments where real joy lives — offering a candid, often funny, but fundamentally challenging invitation to stop living a life that isn’t true to you.
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You talk about never really feeling 'excited' about future events but experiencing intense joy in small, present moments. Do you see that flatness around excitement as emotional wisdom or as something you’d still like to shift, and how would you explore that in therapy or self‑inquiry?
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Transcript Preview
I like a really good life, and I have a very good life. (instrumental music) I knew I was a bit different, as well, though, you know? I d- you felt it, right? I did feel different. I was doing TV shows, radio shows. I had my own collection. I had the business. Oh, God, how shit is that life? And I lost me in that. It, there wasn't times where it wasn't fantastic. There was. But where was I? I didn't stop to breathe. We've really fucked this planet for you guys. We were blind. We're blind consumers living a life while we slowly killed the planet and our wellbeing. So, it has to be you guys that go, "No." My mother died when I was, very suddenly of, of, um, encephalitis when I was 16. And she was the center of, you know, the world. And I had to grow up very quickly, and all that misbehavior went into sort of responsibility. This is, this is really painful, yet somehow I'd, I wasn't able to express it. (instrumental music)
Mary Portas, you may know her from the high street, you may know her from business, or you may know her from her books. But the experience I had with her today is honestly incredible. She is hilarious, she is smart, she's witty, and she is willing to be honest at all costs. And that really speaks to one of the central principles she'll talk about today, which is this idea of the importance of being true to yourself. She's made the mistake that 99% of people that are listening to this are going to make, are currently making, or are in the process of overcoming, which is living a life that isn't true to who you actually are. And today, she's also gonna tell you about an idea that will be fairly radical to some people, especially people who are building and have built big businesses, which is based on her new book, Rebuild: How to Thrive in the New Kindness Economy. She has achieved things that most people in business would never even dream of. She's been a media star, she's been a political figure at times, and through it all, through the hardest of times, through grief, through trauma, through broken marriages, through public scrutiny in the press, she has emerged as an incredibly outspoken, honest, humble, intellectually challenging and stimulating, humorous inspiration, leader, entrepreneur, and public figure. I laughed, I realized, and I was deeply inspired. And you will be too. So, without further ado, I'm Steven Bartlett, and this is The Diary of a CEO. I hope nobody's listening, but if you are, then please keep this to yourself. (instrumental music) Mary, um, you're a very stand-out person with a very stand-out personality, and you've managed to achieve some pretty remarkable things in your life, and, uh, uh, f- from a place of curiosity, that always makes me wonder what it is that made you different, and I like to always start with people's childhoods and their upbringings because I tend to believe that that's the most influential part of their life typically. So, is there anything from your, um, younger years that you think has been defining in the person you went on to become?
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