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Deep Dive with Ali AbdaalLeading Psychologist: How To Finally Overcome Stress & Anxiety - Dr Julie Smith
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WHAT IT’S REALLY ABOUT
Dr Julie Smith on Managing Stress, Overthinking, Emotions and Burnout
- Dr Julie Smith explains that feelings are useful messages from the brain that should be held lightly rather than treated as facts or suppressed, and that mindfulness trains this skill like a gym for the mind.
- She defines overthinking as worry, with rumination about the past tied to depression and worry about the future tied to anxiety, and offers tools like mindful anchoring, distancing language and labeling thoughts to step back from them.
- The conversation covers cognitive biases such as personalizing, catastrophizing and mental filtering, and compares thought challenging (the 'court' test) with acceptance-based diffusion depending on the person and severity.
- On burnout, Smith and Ali Abdaal discuss values check-ins, treating work as a marathon, balance as constant rebalancing, an ideal week, and rules that protect sleep, food, exercise and social contact.
- Smith also shares how she avoids tying self-worth to metrics and advises supporting struggling friends through connection and honest questions rather than trying to fix their problems.
IDEAS WORTH REMEMBERING
5 ideasFeelings are information to hold lightly, not facts to obey or ignore
Smith says the brain makes a best guess from limited data, so emotions are valuable but only one possible version of reality, and staying open to other perspectives prevents spiralling.
Mindfulness is mental training, not indulgent relaxation
Smith describes it as a gym for the mind: noticing where your attention is, judging whether it's helpful, and repeatedly bringing it back to the present, as she did on a run by anchoring to the sound of her feet.
Overthinking is really worry, and it doesn't resolve itself by repetition
Rumination about the past feeds depression and what-if worrying about the future feeds anxiety; spotting the familiar pattern gives a window to choose a different path.
Creating distance from thoughts reduces their power
Starting sentences with 'I'm noticing the thought that', naming types of thought like judgment or prediction, or writing thoughts down helps you see them as the wooden mask held at arm's length rather than a fact.
Thought challenging suits some people while diffusion suits others
Smith says weighing evidence 'in court' can help, but it can also set up an internal argument, in which case acceptance-based diffusion works better; in depression, success may be loosening belief from 100% to a lower figure.
WORDS WORTH SAVING
5 quotesIt's almost the gym for the mind, so you're building that mental muscle to be able to notice where your mind is, notice if it's helpful for you or not, and then bring it back to now.
— Dr. Julie Smith
Most things that are sort of meaningful or feel like achievements involve discomfort on the way. So if you're not willing to make yourself feel vulnerable and uncomfortable, you kind of close a lot of doors to yourself, I think.
— Dr. Julie Smith
You never feel like you've won the game. You just constantly feel like you're playing the game.
— Dr. Julie Smith
If you attach or associate your self-worth to the positive, you're also gonna lose out massively when the negative happens, which it does, right?
— Dr. Julie Smith
Mostly what people don't need is someone to come along and solve an unsolvable problem. They need some human connection and someone to be there.
— Dr. Julie Smith
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SPEAKERS
Dr. Julie Smith
guestClinical psychologist and author focused on practical tools for managing stress, anxiety, and emotional wellbeing.
Ali Abdaal
hostDoctor-turned productivity creator and host of Deep Dive with Ali Abdaal, author of Feel-Good Productivity.
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