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If you enjoyed this episode, I recommend you check out my first conversation with Bryan Johnson, which you can find here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1yfoonW1InE 00:00 Intro 02:17 Blueprint: The Study to Reverse Your Age 05:24 A Scientific & Measurable Perspective on My Health & the World 07:39 First Person To Achieve Perfect Sleep for 6 Months 13:48 How To Achieve Perfect Sleep 16:49 The Ultimate Effort to Not Die 23:56 What Are the Consequences of Extending Our Lives? 26:56 Brain Scans & My Psychedelic Experience 36:52 The Most Compelling Argument Against Blueprint 39:42 The Endless Possibilities of Genetic Engineering 42:18 High Street Supplements for Anti-Aging: What Really Works 49:07 The Surprising Impact of Nighttime Erections 01:01:00 Reversing Hair Loss 01:05:52 Testing the Human Blueprint Program on Others 01:14:02 Becoming the Top 7% Fittest in My Age Group 01:15:13 Balancing the Blueprint Program and My Former Social Life 01:17:55 The Toughest Sacrifices Made 01:21:38 Do You Want To Die? 01:24:04 Achievements Since Your Last Show Appearance 01:27:25 Creating the Ultimate Supplements for Every Individual 01:29:41 What Do You Disagree About with Bryan? 01:31:24 A Special Message from Bryan to the DOAC Community 01:32:54 Managing Online Hate 01:37:54 An Analogy for Our Future You can follow all the work and progress of Bryan and Blueprint here: https://bit.ly/3QP8VF2 Follow Bryan: Instagram: https://bit.ly/3rTLMaF Twitter: https://bit.ly/47hUDDi My new book! 'The 33 Laws Of Business & Life' is out now: https://smarturl.it/DOACbook Flightfund: https://flightfund.com/ Listen on: Apple podcast - https://podcasts.apple.com/gb/podcast/the-diary-of-a-ceo-by-steven-bartlett/id1291423644 Spotify - https://open.spotify.com/show/7iQXmUT7XGuZSzAMjoNWlX Join this channel to get access to perks: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCGq-a57w-aPwyi3pW7XLiHw/join FOLLOW ► Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/steven/ Twitter: https://x.com/StevenBartlett?s=20 Linkedin: https://www.linkedin.com/in/steven-bartlett-56986834/ Sponsors: British Airways: https://www.britishairways.com/en-gb/offers/sale UNTIL: https://until.co.uk Huel: https://g2ul0.app.link/G4RjcdKNKsb

Steven BartletthostBryan JohnsonguestKate Dolloguest
Nov 9, 20231h 43mWatch on YouTube ↗

CHAPTERS

  1. 6:00 – 12:00

    Introducing Bryan Johnson’s Blueprint And Early Results

    Stephen reintroduces Bryan Johnson and his Blueprint protocol, then asks what three years of radical, data-driven living have produced. Bryan describes unprecedented happiness, emotional stability, and cognitive clarity, framing his life as an ongoing search for invisible biases and blind spots.

    • Bryan claims a >30% extension of lifespan and a 12‑year reduction in biological age.
    • He reports peak emotional calm, mental clarity, and restfulness compared with any previous period of his life.
    • Self‑awareness is framed as a lifelong project of discovering what’s invisible—biases, blind spots, and normalized dysfunction.
    • He contrasts story-based thinking with quantitative, model-based thinking learned from economist Gary Becker.
  2. 12:00 – 21:00

    From Stories To Systems: Priming, Bias, And Measuring Sleep

    They discuss how subtle priming and narratives govern behavior without our awareness, and how shifting to numerical models changes decision-making. Bryan uses sleep as a case study, explaining how he reverse‑engineered the variables that drive his now record-setting sleep performance.

    • Priming example: words associated with age can measurably slow walking speed in experiments.
    • Bryan looks for ‘the graph, the formula’ behind phenomena instead of accepting stories.
    • He mapped contributors to sleep quality, turning sleep from random to controllable.
    • He has achieved six months of consecutive 100% sleep scores on Whoop, a feat not previously documented.
  3. 21:00 – 35:00

    Sleep Versus Grind Culture And The Cost Of Deprivation

    The conversation attacks entrepreneurial mythology that glorifies sleep deprivation. Bryan positions chronic short sleep as a form of intoxication and a systemic risk when practiced by leaders responsible for major decisions.

    • Cultural lore equates sleeping under your desk with heroism and status.
    • Physiologically, sleep deprivation can impair cognition to the level of alcohol intoxication.
    • Leaders making big decisions while sleep‑deprived are, in his view, impaired and dangerous.
    • Changing norms requires individuals to face social friction when leaving early or refusing late meals.
    • Bryan argues parents can create ‘sleep culture’ at home via strict boundaries, countering fatalism about kids and sleep.
  4. 35:00 – 45:00

    Excuses, Self-Deception, And The ‘Don’t Die’ Thought Experiment

    Stephen presses Bryan on personal responsibility; Bryan responds that all humans are steeped in self‑deception, himself included. He explains Blueprint as an experiment in taking the human instinct not to die to its logical extreme across every measurable biological process.

    • Bryan doesn’t trust himself around junk food; he designs his home environment to remove all self-harm options.
    • He conceptualizes Blueprint as eliminating every behavior that contributes to death, not just obvious risks.
    • He contrasts looking both ways while smoking a cigarette as emblematic of human contradiction.
    • He argues extreme measures only fully make sense now, when they might buy enough time to reach a radically different future.
  5. 45:00 – 55:00

    Superintelligence, Engineered Reality, And Rethinking Death

    They move into philosophy: what happens if AI and programmable biology let humans engineer reality and consciousness themselves? Bryan argues that death as a ‘natural’ part of life made sense before engineering; now he sees it as a policy choice we may soon override.

    • Bryan believes we’re ‘baby steps’ away from superintelligence with power to program atoms, organisms, and experiences.
    • Future capabilities might allow redesigning consciousness and reality in ways we can’t imagine.
    • Concerns about longevity exacerbating wealth inequality are, he says, solvable policy and engineering problems, not reasons to forgo life extension.
    • He compares asking 21st‑century humans about the far future to asking Homo erectus to forecast Homo sapiens—our intuitions are too primitive.
  6. 55:00 – 1:06:00

    Kernel, Ketamine, And Mapping The Brain Like A Body

    Bryan describes Kernel, a ‘brain scale’ that measures neural activity as easily as weighing yourself. He discusses a 15‑person ketamine study where his brain connectivity patterns were recorded before, during, and after dosing, revealing a temporary ‘remapping’ window.

    • Kernel is a helmet-like device to capture brain activity data cheaply and repeatedly.
    • Ketamine scrambled Bryan’s usual connectivity ‘flight paths’ for a few days before they restabilized.
    • He suspects a 1–3 day window of increased neuroplasticity, aligning with a subjective surge in novelty and spontaneity.
    • Psychedelic therapies are promising, but current studies rely heavily on subjective self‑report; Kernel aims to add objective neural data.
  7. 1:06:00 – 1:14:00

    Gene Therapy, CRISPR, And Punching Through The Lifespan Ceiling

    They discuss the current apparent maximum human lifespan (~120 years) and why Bryan believes breaking past that ceiling requires genetic interventions. He outlines his first gene therapy aimed at increasing follistatin to influence muscle and possibly aging trajectories.

    • Lifestyle alone may not be sufficient to exceed ~120 years; genetic modification is likely required.
    • Bryan underwent an oblique-injected gene therapy to increase follistatin expression, which suppresses myostatin and can enhance muscle growth.
    • This therapy doesn’t edit DNA but alters protein expression levels; his team is measuring effects via blood tests and full‑body MRI.
    • He positions his heavily instrumented body as a unique testbed for multi-system effects of experimental therapies.
  8. 1:14:00 – 1:20:00

    NAD, Drips, And Why Most Longevity Interventions Are ‘BS’ Without Data

    Stephen asks about popular anti‑aging fads like NAD IV drips. Bryan dismisses most high‑street longevity offerings as unmeasured marketing, contrasting them with his own targeted, data-validated NAD protocol using oral NMN/NR.

    • NAD drips provide only transient elevation; he hasn’t seen evidence that they sustainably raise intracellular NAD.
    • His intracellular NAD went from a ‘47‑year‑old’ profile to an ‘18‑year‑old’ profile through carefully dosed oral NMN/NR taken twice daily.
    • He argues that if you’re not measuring the biomarker you’re trying to change, you’re buying into a story, not a result.
    • He estimates ‘most everything’ in mainstream longevity is ineffective or unproven by his standards.
  9. 1:20:00 – 1:29:00

    Extra Virgin Olive Oil As A ‘Super Of Superfoods’

    Bryan unveils his Blueprint-branded ultra‑premium extra virgin olive oil, describing it as one of the simplest, highest‑impact interventions most people can adopt. They discuss taste, dosing, and the striking study results on weight, cancer, glucose, and oxidized LDL.

    • He dedicates ~15% of his daily calories to high‑polyphenol EVOO, taking a tablespoon with each meal.
    • Cited effects include 5.2 lbs weight loss in 9 weeks, >60% reduced invasive breast cancer risk, ~60% lower post‑meal blood sugar, and ~80% lower oxidized LDL after meals.
    • Most commercial olive oils lack verified polyphenol levels and stability; his product includes lab data and a cross‑hemisphere supply chain to guarantee quality.
    • He argues EVOO plus good sleep is a powerful, accessible starting stack for the average person.
  10. 1:29:00 – 1:39:00

    Biological Age Testing And Measuring Nighttime Erections

    Bryan presents Stephen with two tools: an epigenetic blood test for speed of aging and a penile ring device for tracking nocturnal erections. The segment blends humor with serious points about overlooked male health metrics.

    • The blood spot test estimates speed of aging (e.g., 1.0 = normal, 0.6 = 40% slower aging), translating into ‘extra months’ per calendar year.
    • The erection tracker logs frequency, duration, and quality of nocturnal erections without disturbing sleep.
    • Bryan’s current nocturnal erection time averages 2 hours 12 minutes; he aims for ~3.5 hours to match a notional 18‑year‑old.
    • Nighttime erectile function is framed as a composite marker of cardiovascular, hormonal, and psychological health, not just sexual performance.
  11. 1:39:00 – 1:56:00

    Shockwave Therapy, Abs Machines, And The Edges Of Physical Optimization

    They unpack focused shockwave therapy to the penis—used both medically and now experimentally for enhancement—and Bryan’s electromagnetic ab device. Stephen oscillates between skepticism and amusement while Bryan insists on MRI-verified efficacy.

    • Shockwave sessions involve a wand delivering painful acoustic pulses along the entire penis, including the highly sensitive tip.
    • The therapy is already used for joint and tendon healing; in ED it’s thought to stimulate micro‑damage and vascular remodeling.
    • Subjectively, Bryan reports improved structure, erection strength, and orgasmic intensity, likening the change to ‘15 years younger.’
    • His ab device uses electromagnetic stimulation to induce thousands of supramaximal contractions; MRI shows increased muscle mass, although Stephen associates such devices with late‑night infomercial gimmicks.
  12. 1:56:00 – 2:03:00

    Hair, Air, And Extending Optimization To The Environment

    They briefly cover Bryan’s multi-pronged effort to fight male-pattern baldness and his meticulous control of air quality at home. Both are treated as examples of extending the Blueprint mentality beyond standard wellness domains.

    • Hair maintenance regimen: PRP injections with ACell and dutasteride every 30–60 days, nightly topical cocktail with minoxidil, and daily red light scalp therapy.
    • He says his genetics make hair loss highly likely; maintaining current density is resource-intensive but psychologically significant.
    • In his Los Angeles home, he runs continuous air quality monitoring and HEPA filtration in every room, avoiding outdoor exertion on high‑pollution days.
    • Fine particulates (e.g., PM2.5) can lodge in lungs and cause long‑term damage, justifying the effort in his view.
  13. 2:03:00 – 2:11:00

    Enter Kate: The First Woman On Blueprint

    Bryan introduces Kate Tollo, his long-time collaborator and chief marketing officer, now the first woman to run the Blueprint protocol. She recounts how an email from Singularity University years earlier set her on a path from fashion in New York to building Blueprint in LA.

    • Kate was drawn to Bryan’s early writing about merging humans with AI and persistently contacted him across multiple channels.
    • Her role is deliberately broad: creative direction, marketing, and ‘doing whatever needs doing’ across Kernel and Blueprint.
    • She agreed to trial Blueprint only after careful reflection and a 30‑day test period, aware that her journey would be public.
    • They both emphasize the resource intensity of onboarding a new Blueprint subject and the need for genuine consent rather than pressure.
  14. 2:11:00 – 2:21:00

    Kate’s 90 Days: Data, Existential Crises, And ‘Priority Kate’

    Kate details her baseline tests, which revealed surprisingly poor fitness and elevated oxidized LDL despite looking healthy. The strict regimen—identical food to Bryan, 60+ supplements a day, targeted exercise, and sleep perfection—forced her to confront lifelong self-neglect and people‑pleasing.

    • Baseline: flexibility and strength scores mapped her to a typical 60–70‑year‑old; oxidized LDL was worryingly high at age 27.
    • In 30 days, her restorative sleep rose 19%, leg press 1‑rep max jumped from 220 to 360 pounds, and VO2 max moved from the 51st percentile to the top 7% for her age and gender.
    • She had never exercised seriously before; the gains highlight how much low‑hanging fruit many young adults have.
    • Psychologically, she discovered ‘priority Kate’—a pattern of always prioritizing others’ needs over her own health, manifesting as back-to-back meetings, skipped meals, late‑night McDonald’s, and chronic undersleep.
    • At one point she pushed exercise intensity to please imagined public expectations, ignoring HRV and recovery metrics, before realizing this was people‑pleasing in a new disguise.
  15. 2:21:00 – 2:31:00

    Tradeoffs, Youth, And The Opportunity To Live

    Stephen challenges Kate on sacrifice in her 20s—social life, dating, and simple pleasures like oat milk lattes. She admits those micro‑joys were hard to give up but reframes Blueprint as putting on her own oxygen mask first, arguing today’s Kate is objectively better cared for by herself than the pre‑Blueprint version.

    • Blueprint is effectively a full‑time job layered on her actual job: workouts after travel days, pills, strict food timing, sleep windows.
    • Her friends have largely adapted, e.g., brunch with her Blueprint lunchbox instead of restaurant food.
    • She says the key meta‑question is: who is doing a better job of looking after Kate—past or present Kate? By every metric, present Kate wins.
    • She distinguishes between wanting not to die and wanting ‘the opportunity to live,’ accepting death conceptually but seeking maximal present vitality.
  16. 2:31:00 – 2:38:00

    Disagreement, Roles, And Blueprint As A Species-Level Operations Plan

    Stephen probes for disagreements between Bryan and Kate; they mostly share a vision but differ in vantage point. Kate frames herself as ‘operations manager for humanity,’ while Bryan is the visionary pushing boundaries on what human life could become.

    • Kate thinks in terms of systems and operational levers—like giving everyone a ‘packed lunchbox’ of core nutrition—to move civilization with minimal changes.
    • Bryan is cast as the one holding the radical long‑term vision of co‑evolving with AI and eliminating self‑destruction from our systems.
    • Their alignment allows Blueprint to be both a personal protocol and a proposed template for planetary public health.
    • Kate emphasizes small, structural design changes over heroic willpower as the real engine of change.
  17. 2:38:00 – 2:48:00

    Comments, Criticism, And The Lighthouse Analogy For The Future

    They reflect on public reaction, with Bryan surprisingly delighted by mean tweets and deeply appreciative of The Diary of a CEO audience’s thoughtfulness. He unveils a favorite parable about a battleship and a lighthouse to argue that our usual ‘bully the problem’ mentality won’t work when confronting coming superintelligence.

    • Bryan reads most comments and finds creative insults amusing, believing no external criticism matches the brutality of his old self-talk.
    • He credits Blueprint with largely ending his self‑torture phase, calling earlier life ‘vigorously torturing myself.’
    • His lighthouse story illustrates that our usual appeal to authority and force—“I’m fleet command, you move”—fails when reality itself (the lighthouse) is what must be navigated.
    • He argues that our current minds are too addicted, sleep‑deprived, and biased to trust our intuitions about what we truly want from the future.
    • He ends by questioning rituals like Halloween candy as normalized self‑harm and calls for a ‘war’ on societal self-destruction.
  18. 2:48:00

    Blueprint As Humanitarian Project And Future Product Stack

    In closing, Bryan outlines Blueprint’s evolution from a personal experiment to what he calls a ‘species-wide evolutionary plan.’ Much of the protocol—recipes, workouts, supplements—is now free online, and a commercial stack aiming to be the world’s most nutritious food product is in development.

    • He estimates Blueprint has cost $3–4 million so far, mostly on measurement, not the interventions themselves.
    • Implementation, he says, is relatively cheap; the expensive part was building and validating the model.
    • They are building a powders‑and‑pills stack (including EVOO) that aims to compete with the best nutrition product ever made, targeting a ~90‑day launch.
    • Bryan imagines organizations like the UN eventually distributing Blueprint-level nutrition as a global public good.
    • He reiterates his belief that this is “the most impactful humanitarian project ever” in terms of potential value delivered per person.

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