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Demis Hassabis — Scaling, superhuman AIs, AlphaZero atop LLMs, AlphaFold

Here is my episode with Demis Hassabis, CEO of Google DeepMind. We discuss: * Why scaling is an artform * Adding search, planning, & AlphaZero type training atop LLMs * Making sure rogue nations can't steal weights * The right way to align superhuman AIs and do an intelligence explosion 𝐄𝐏𝐈𝐒𝐎𝐃𝐄 𝐋𝐈𝐍𝐊𝐒 * Transcript: https://www.dwarkeshpatel.com/p/demis-hassabis * Apple Podcasts: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/demis-hassabis-scaling-superhuman-ais-alphazero-atop/id1516093381?i=1000647410338 * Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/episode/6SWbwjYPs5WevIoCCiSByS?si=nCVFSRr7QGGI_STgbrOBDA * Follow me on Twitter: https://twitter.com/dwarkesh_sp 𝐓𝐈𝐌𝐄𝐒𝐓𝐀𝐌𝐏𝐒 00:00:00 - Nature of intelligence 00:05:56 - RL atop LLMs 00:16:31 - Scaling and alignment 00:24:13 - Timelines and intelligence explosion 00:28:42 - Gemini training 00:35:30 - Governance of superhuman AIs 00:40:42 - Safety, open source, and security of weights 00:47:00 - Multimodal and further progress 00:54:18 - Inside Google DeepMind

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February 28, 2024
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1h 1m
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Dwarkesh Podcast
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EPISODE DESCRIPTION

Here is my episode with Demis Hassabis, CEO of Google DeepMind. We discuss:

  • Why scaling is an artform
  • Adding search, planning, & AlphaZero type training atop LLMs
  • Making sure rogue nations can't steal weights
  • The right way to align superhuman AIs and do an intelligence explosion

𝐄𝐏𝐈𝐒𝐎𝐃𝐄 𝐋𝐈𝐍𝐊𝐒

𝐓𝐈𝐌𝐄𝐒𝐓𝐀𝐌𝐏𝐒 00:00:00 - Nature of intelligence 00:05:56 - RL atop LLMs 00:16:31 - Scaling and alignment 00:24:13 - Timelines and intelligence explosion 00:28:42 - Gemini training 00:35:30 - Governance of superhuman AIs 00:40:42 - Safety, open source, and security of weights 00:47:00 - Multimodal and further progress 00:54:18 - Inside Google DeepMind

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  • Dwarkesh Patel

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EPISODE SUMMARY

In this episode of Dwarkesh Podcast, featuring Demis Hassabis and Dwarkesh Patel, Demis Hassabis — Scaling, superhuman AIs, AlphaZero atop LLMs, AlphaFold explores demis Hassabis explains path to AGI, scaling, safety, and Gemini Demis Hassabis outlines how large multimodal models plus planning/search (AlphaZero-style RL) are his likely recipe for AGI within the next decade, with current LLMs seen as “unreasonably effective” but still incomplete.

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