Mark Zuckerberg — AI will write most Meta code in 18 months

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Released

April 29, 2025

Duration

1h 15m

Channel

Dwarkesh Podcast

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📝 EPISODE DESCRIPTION

Zuck on:

• Llama 4, benchmark gaming, open vs source
• Intelligence explosion, business models for AGI
• DeepSeek/China, export controls, & Trump
• Orion glasses, AI relationships, and not getting reward-hacking by our tech

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• Transcript: https://www.dwarkesh.com/p/mark-zuckerberg-2
• Apple Podcasts: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/dwarkesh-podcast/id1516093381?i=1000705423020
• Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/episode/7Brv4vg9P8a8CNvAN5UsMv?si=d548a8aef39e4b65

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🎤 SPEAKERS

• Mark Zuckerberg

  guest

• Dwarkesh Patel

  host

🧾 EPISODE SUMMARY

In this episode of Dwarkesh Podcast, featuring Mark Zuckerberg and Dwarkesh Patel, Mark Zuckerberg — AI will write most Meta code in 18 months explores Zuckerberg predicts AI-coded Meta, open-source dominance, and weirder internet Mark Zuckerberg discusses Meta’s Llama 4 roadmap, emphasizing open-source models, multimodality, and an upcoming two-trillion-parameter ‘Behemoth’ model designed mainly as a teacher for smaller distilled systems.

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