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What will computer chips look like in 2045?

I spent two days touring Intel’s most advanced fab and talking to its technical leadership to understand what the chips of the future will look like. A lot of what's coming next – gate-all-around transistors, backside power, CFET, hybrid bonding – is hard to follow without actually seeing it, so we made all the awesome animated explainers that I wish I had while I was prepping. I also asked Intel’s leadership how the semiconductor industry will cope with the enormous shock in demand from AI. AI compute has grown 3x a year for the last decade, but according to Intel's CTO, Intel could only double leading-edge wafer production with today’s global stock of chipmaking tools. What kinds of tricks can foundries pull to extend this crossover point where demand surges way ahead of supply? This was a totally new format for us - hope you enjoy! I also made flashcards for the concepts I had to learn to prep for this episode – link below. 𝐄𝐏𝐈𝐒𝐎𝐃𝐄 𝐋𝐈𝐍𝐊𝐒 * Flashcards: http://flashcards.dwarkesh.com/intel * Transcript: https://www.dwarkesh.com/p/intel-tour * Apple Podcasts: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/what-will-computer-chips-look-like-in-2045/id1516093381?i=1000797633702 * Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/episode/1kycOQ4f8ZHsXMOvUujdq6?si=NVKBI5NCRqirns5WPXzepQ Music for this episode composed by Tom Fox @tomfoxcatalog 𝐒𝐏𝐎𝐍𝐒𝐎𝐑𝐒 * WorkOS helps you do business with enterprises. It gives you access to all the features most commonly required by enterprises: SSO, SCIM, RBAC, audit logs, and more. It’s easy to plug these features in — it only takes a few lines of code — and WorkOS is releasing new functionality all the time, including things like auth for agents. If you want to join the 3,000+ companies that rely on WorkOS, go to https://workos.com * Jane Street built a powerful tool called magic-trace to help analyze and debug their trading systems. It only exists because one engineer noticed a feature on Intel chips called Processor Trace and thought it’d be valuable to build on top of. Now, traders and developers across Jane Street use magic-trace every single day! If you want to be trusted to pursue the ideas you think matter most, Jane Street is hiring. Go to https://janestreet.com/dwarkesh * Antithesis’ testing platform lets you perfectly reproduce every single bug you find. That’s because it runs on a fully deterministic computer, which strips out all the unpredictability that can make certain bugs flaky and hard to pin down. To build it, Antithesis found every source of non-determinism in Intel’s x86 architecture and either sealed it off or replaced it with a controlled simulation. Learn more at https://antithesis.com/dwarkesh To sponsor a future episode, visit https://dwarkesh.com/advertise. 𝐓𝐈𝐌𝐄𝐒𝐓𝐀𝐌𝐏𝐒 00:00:00 – Intro 00:00:47 – How Intel brings up a new process node 00:03:22 – What Intel learned from 10nm 00:06:28 – From planar transistors to gate-all-around 00:13:13 – Why High-NA EUV pays off for Intel but not TSMC 00:19:20 – Could chips have evolved completely differently? 00:23:33 – Inside Intel's "Hot Topics" meeting 00:29:30 – Replacing copper wires with ruthenium 00:32:41 – Why stacked transistors take a decade to ship 00:39:45 – Hybrid bonding and the chip-to-chip bottleneck 00:48:00 – There aren't enough tools to 10x chip production 00:53:14 – Can Intel catch up to TSMC? 01:01:02 – Terafab, and rethinking the fab from scratch

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Oct 22, 20261h 9mWatch on YouTube ↗

At a glance

WHAT IT’S REALLY ABOUT

AI demand meets physics, tools, and packaging in future chips

  1. Intel leaders explain how a leading-edge node like 14A is finalized through thousands of tightly controlled steps, using defect metrology, cross-sectional analysis, and yield learning loops to reach repeatable high-volume manufacturing.
  2. The 10nm delay is framed as a cautionary tale about stacking too much innovation before tool ecosystems are ready, motivating Intel’s phase-gated maturity metrics to keep future nodes on schedule.
  3. Transistor evolution is shifting from straightforward scaling to architecture and materials innovation—gate-all-around today, CFET and 2D materials in research—where integration, thermals, and tool capabilities drive decade-long timelines.
  4. Intel argues architectural choices like backside power can change lithography economics, making High-NA EUV more beneficial for Intel’s flows than for competitors under different pitch constraints.
  5. AI demand is colliding with a hard supply-chain ceiling—especially limited output of EUV tools—so even massive capital cannot quickly yield a 10× increase in leading-edge wafer capacity, pushing the industry toward ‘virtual vertical integration’ by hyperscalers and large buyers.

IDEAS WORTH REMEMBERING

5 ideas

A new node is a 2,000-step reproducibility problem as much as an invention problem.

Intel’s leaders describe a highly structured bring-up where defects are found via in-line metrology and end-of-line electrical test, then traced back through cross-sections (e.g., TEM) to specific layers/steps for fixes. The core challenge is turning a fragile, experimental flow into a repeatable, thousands-of-wafers-per-week manufacturing process.

10nm taught Intel that “world-class” technology can still lose if it ships late.

Intel frames 10nm as technically successful but schedule-failing due to pushing too many innovations without the right tool readiness (especially delaying EUV adoption). The organizational lesson is to cap innovation per node and formalize readiness checks so schedule doesn’t collapse under integration complexity.

Phase-gated maturity metrics are Intel’s mechanism for trading ambition for schedule certainty.

Intel created maturity metrics and a Phase Gate process (yield/defect/performance criteria) to decide which research ideas graduate into development. Anything that misses gates slips to later nodes, prioritizing predictable delivery over maximal novelty.

Tool economics depend on architecture: backside power can make High-NA EUV pencil out.

High-NA EUV is expensive but can reduce multi-patterning passes (time, defect opportunities) if your design rules allow single-pass printing. Intel argues backside power relaxes front-side routing/pitch constraints enough that High-NA has a stronger value proposition for Intel than for TSMC in some layers.

Seeing a CFET ‘work in a lab’ is far from a manufacturable, high-yield, high-performance CFET.

Research paths like CFET (stacked complementary transistors) may be demonstrated in simplified lab vehicles at tiny feature sizes, yet still take ~a decade to reach products because production needs a full, optimized integration across thousands of steps, with aspect-ratio etch/fill, interconnect, reliability, and thermal limits all solved.

WORDS WORTH SAVING

5 quotes

There's about two thousand steps in the factory that you have to go do, and you need to do really intricate work at each one of those to make sure it's fine-tuned, it can go into manufacturing, it can run thousands of wafers a week, uh, on this process, and it can be repeatable every single time.

— Chris Roth

10 nanometer was a, was a, was a good example of where we had very aggressive targets. We had-- We were doing what was called hyperscaling at the time, so we were scaling much faster than what had been historically done.

— Chris Roth

One thing you learn in this industry is that you will never have a complete data set. If you want to wait for a complete data set, you've waited too long.

— Kevin Fisher

Every day counts.

— Kevin Fisher

I would argue that the, the supply crunch is larger for memory today than it is for, for compute.

— Pushkar Randane

14A process-node bring-up and yield learning10nm delays and EUV adoption timingPhase Gate maturity metrics and PDK readinessGate-all-around, backside power, and High-NA EUV economicsCFET and 2D materials research-to-manufacturing timelineInterconnect scaling: copper liners, cobalt, ruthenium crossoverHybrid bonding, chip-to-wafer vs wafer-to-wafer, bandwidth-perimeter limits

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