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ADHD Beyond the Label with Penn and Kim Holderness

ADHD isn’t about deficits; it’s about difference. Dr. Becky talks with Kim and Penn Holderness about emotional intensity, Deeply Feeling Kids, and why connection matters more than correction. They explore reframing ADHD through strengths, supporting kids’ regulation, and finding environments where they thrive. Get the Good Inside App by Dr. Becky: https://bit.ly/4fSxbzk Your Good Inside membership might be eligible for HSA/FSA reimbursement! To learn more about how to get your membership reimbursed, check out the link here: https://www.goodinside.com/fsa-hsa-eligibility/ Follow Dr. Becky on Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/drbeckyatgoodinside Sign up for our weekly email, Good Insider: https://www.goodinside.com/newsletter For a full transcript of the episode, go to goodinside.com/podcast Thank you to our sponsor Zelle. When it counts, send money with Zelle. Headed out for the holidays? Netflix has free, educational games your kids will love—like *PAW Patrol Academy*, *Barbie Color Creations*, and *LEGO DUPLO World*—all fully unlocked with your membership and perfect for travel days, no WiFi required. Find more at http://netflixfamily.com/traveltips Thank you to our sponsor Skylight. Head to http://skylight.com/BECKY for $30 off their 15-inch calendars. This offer expires December 31st of this year. This season, Good Inside is partnering with Welcome Baby, a nonprofit that provides essential supplies to new parents in need. From December 18th–22nd, 10% of every new membership will help fund Welcome Baby packages—giving parents the support they need during those first, beautiful, overwhelming weeks. Learn more at http://www.goodinside.com/?utm_source=&utm_medium=podcast&utm_campaign=welcomebaby_dec_2025&utm_content=shownotes_20251216 Thank you to our sponsor Sony. Get $700 off the Sony Alpha 7 IV camera at http://electronics.sony.com/

Dr. BeckyhostKim HoldernessguestPenn Holdernessguest
Dec 16, 202540mWatch on YouTube ↗

At a glance

WHAT IT’S REALLY ABOUT

Reframing ADHD as brain difference: emotions, strengths, supportive systems matter

  1. Penn describes being diagnosed at 20 and how unrecognized ADHD showed up most through emotional overwhelm, fidgeting, and frequent correction rather than academic failure early on.
  2. The group critiques the term ADHD as misleading and stigmatizing, arguing that many kids have ample attention but inconsistent control over where it goes, with emotions and inattentive presentations often overlooked (especially in girls).
  3. They emphasize “connection before correction” as an efficient regulation strategy—connection provides emotional containment that reduces intensity and restores access to skills like problem-solving and follow-through.
  4. Practical success comes from strengths-based coaching, finding “right-fit” environments (e.g., improv rewarding spontaneity), and building external systems (alarms, calendars, routines) that prevent predictable breakdowns.
  5. Their children’s book reframes ADHD with honesty about struggles and explicit de-shaming, helping kids feel understood, brave, and not alone while also spotlighting gifts.

IDEAS WORTH REMEMBERING

5 ideas

ADHD is often experienced as an emotion-regulation difference, not just attention issues.

Both Penn and Kim stress that emotional overwhelm (tears, frustration, intensity) can be central, yet many parents are only prepared for focus and hyperactivity challenges.

The label can harm unless it’s reframed as information—not a verdict.

They describe how “deficit, hyperactivity, disorder” lands like “three negative hammers,” and why families benefit from remembering the child is unchanged; the label should guide better coaching.

Connection is a performance strategy because regulation precedes skill access.

Dr. Becky explains that containment lowers emotions from “10/10 to 8/10,” making it possible to do homework, problem-solve, and take accountability—whereas correction alone often escalates dysregulation.

Reduce shame to increase accountability.

Kim’s example of the stove being left on shows how angry confrontation triggers a “shame spiral,” while a firm-but-connecting stance invites ownership and planning to prevent repeats.

Build upstream systems that assume predictable difficulty—then prevent it.

Their family uses night-before prep, “first stop” calendars, lots of alarms, and simple drop-zones (like a hamper for “all the crap”) to reduce morning chaos and missed steps.

WORDS WORTH SAVING

5 quotes

We don't have a deficit of attention. We have plenty of attention. We just focus it in the wrong place a lot of the time.

Penn Holderness

Even get, hearing it when it was delivered to me, and in a house where ADHD is, like we talk about it, we celebrate it, it felt so heavy.

Kim Holderness

It's the difference between a shame spiral and a support staircase.

Penn Holderness

The truth is, if emotions are overpowering us, none of us can access whatever our, quote, "hard skills" are.

Dr. Becky

You're not alone. You are not alone, and there is nothing inherently wrong with you. You, you have a really cool brain.

Penn Holderness

Emotional dysregulation and “deeply feeling kids” overlapStigma and drawbacks of the ADHD labelStrengths-based reframing vs deficit framingConnection-before-correction and emotional containmentShame spirals vs accountability/supportExternal scaffolding: alarms, calendars, upstream planningFinding fit: improv, creativity, classroom placement; teacher collaboration

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