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Overcoming Guilt & Building Tenacity in Kids & Adults | Dr. Becky Kennedy

In this episode, my guest is Dr. Becky Kennedy, Ph.D., a clinical psychologist and renowned expert on parent-child relationships and emotional processing. Dr. Kennedy is also the founder of Good Inside, an educational platform for parents and parents-to-be. We discuss how to learn, embody, and teach better emotional processing, leading to healthier relationships—not just in the context of parent-child dynamics but also in the workplace, romantic partnerships and friendships. Dr. Kennedy shares practical strategies for managing guilt, building frustration tolerance, nurturing emotional intelligence, and being a sturdy parent or person in general. We also explore the impact of technology on emotional processing in both kids and adults and discuss ways to foster greater feelings of capability and confidence. This conversation applies broadly to all types of social connections and aims to empower listeners to cultivate more resilient, loving and supportive relationships. Read the episode show notes: https://go.hubermanlab.com/kUnUiTb *Thank you to our sponsors* AG1: https://drinkag1.com/huberman Wealthfront**: https://wealthfront.com/huberman Our Place: https://fromourplace.com/huberman Joovv: https://joovv.com/huberman LMNT: https://drinklmnt.com/huberman Eight Sleep: https://eightsleep.com/huberman _**This experience may not be representative of the experience of other clients of Wealthfront, and there is no guarantee that all clients will have similar experiences. Cash Account is offered by Wealthfront Brokerage LLC, Member FINRA/SIPC. The Annual Percentage Yield (“APY”) on cash deposits as of December 27,‬ 2024, is representative, subject to change, and requires no minimum. Funds in the Cash Account are swept to partner banks where they earn the variable‭ APY. Promo terms and FDIC coverage conditions apply. Same-day withdrawal or instant payment transfers may be limited by destination institutions, daily transaction caps, and by participating entities such as Wells Fargo, the RTP® Network, and FedNow® Service. New Cash Account deposits are subject to a 2-4 day holding period before becoming available for transfer._ *Follow Huberman Lab* Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/hubermanlab Threads: https://www.threads.net/@hubermanlab X: https://x/hubermanlab Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/hubermanlab TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@hubermanlab LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/andrew-huberman Website: https://www.hubermanlab.com *Dr. Becky Kennedy* Good Inside: https://www.goodinside.com/huberman Good Inside (book): https://amzlink.to/az0DW0DDbMGGB Podcast: https://www.goodinside.com/podcast Newsletter: https://www.goodinside.com/newsletter Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/drbeckyatgoodinside *Timestamps* 00:00:00 Dr. Becky Kennedy; LA Fires 00:03:13 Emotions, Parents & Kids, Information, Tools: Story; “Right to Notice” 00:11:24 Sponsors: Wealthfront & Our Place 00:14:25 Empathy, Kids & Parents 00:18:33 Sturdiness, Pilot Analogy, Tool: Parental Self-Care 00:26:34 Emotions, Rigidity, Moody vs Steady Kids, Siblings 00:32:51 Emotion Talk, Crying; Eye Rolls, Tools: Not Taking Bait; Discuss Struggle 00:39:26 Parent-Child Power Dynamics, Tools: Requests for Parent; Repair 00:48:50 Sponsors: AG1 & Joovv 00:51:39 Power & Authority, Tools: Learning More; Parent Primary Job & Safety 00:59:16 Statements of Stance, Actions vs Emotions; Values, Behaviors & Rigidity 01:05:59 Guilt, Women; Tools: “Not Guilt”, Tennis Court Analogy & Empathy 01:15:46 Sponsors: LMNT & Eight Sleep 01:18:41 Guilt, Relationships, Tool: Naming Values Directly 01:26:06 Locate Others & Values; Sturdy Leadership; Parenting & Shame 01:31:36 Egg Analogy & Boundaries; Tools: Frame Separation; Pilot & Turbulence; Safety 01:39:30 Projection, “Porous”; Tools: Gazing In vs Out, Most Generous Interpretation 01:45:51 Tools: “Soften”; Do Nothing & Difficult Situations; Proving Parenting 01:51:05 Gazing In vs Out, Scales; Self-Needs & Inconvenience 02:00:05 Stress & Story, Nervous; Relationships vs Efficiency 02:08:46 Technology, Relationships, Frustration Tolerance, Gratification 02:15:18 Slowing Down, Phones, Frustration, Capability 02:21:42 Immediate Gratification, Effort & Struggle, Dopamine 02:29:25 Confidence, Board Games, Parental Modeling 02:34:04 Ultra-Performers & Pressure, Emptiness 02:41:29 Trying Things, Unlived Dreams, Frustration Tolerance, Tool: Learning Space 02:51:08 Learning & Building Frustration Tolerance, Tantrums; Feelings & Story 03:03:00 Tool: Using Story; Shame, Punishment 03:12:55 Leadership & Storytelling, Tools: Asking Questions; Songs & Learning 03:23:21 Miss Edson, Momentum, Tool: Small First Steps 03:30:15 Tools: Parents & Starting Point 03:36:29 Good Inside, Zero-Cost Support, Spotify & Apple Follow & Reviews, YouTube Feedback, Sponsors, Social Media, Neural Network Newsletter #HubermanLab #Psychology #Relationships Disclaimer & Disclosures: https://www.hubermanlab.com/disclaimer

Andrew HubermanhostDr. Becky Kennedyguest
Jan 12, 20253h 38mWatch on YouTube ↗

At a glance

WHAT IT’S REALLY ABOUT

Transforming Guilt, Frustration, and Parenting Through Stories and Boundaries

  1. Andrew Huberman and clinical psychologist Dr. Becky Kennedy explore how emotions, especially guilt, frustration, and shame, shape both children and adults—and how to work with them more skillfully. Dr. Becky reframes guilt as a useful signal when we act out of alignment with our values, distinguishing it from the common pattern of absorbing other people’s feelings and calling it “guilt.”
  2. They emphasize frustration tolerance as the core engine of learning and resilience: the uncomfortable “learning space” between not knowing and knowing where the brain actually rewires. Practical tools include narrating emotions honestly to kids, modeling imperfection, using stories and tiny steps to build capability, and making quitting or continuing about process, not perfection.
  3. The conversation also addresses power and authority in parent-child and workplace dynamics, the impact of technology on attachment and attention, and the central role of self-care so parents don’t lean on children for emotional regulation. Throughout, Dr. Becky shows how small, concrete interactions—short comments, brief stories, even silly songs—can profoundly reshape kids’ internal narratives and emotional skills.

IDEAS WORTH REMEMBERING

5 ideas

Treat Guilt as a Useful Signal, Not a Life Sentence

Dr. Becky defines true guilt as the feeling we have when we act out of alignment with our values (e.g., yelling at a child, taking something that isn’t ours). In that sense, guilt is productive: it invites reflection on why we acted that way and what we could do differently next time. Much of what people label as “mom guilt” or “parent guilt” (e.g., going out with friends instead of doing bedtime) is actually not guilt—it’s the discomfort of knowing someone else is upset while we honor our own values. A powerful practice is to ask: “Is what I’m considering actually aligned with my values?” If yes, the feeling is not guilt, and you can act while letting others have their feelings.

Build Frustration Tolerance: The ‘Learning Space’ Between Not Knowing and Knowing

Between point A (not knowing how to do something) and point B (proficiency) lies what Dr. Becky calls the “learning space,” and the normal, expected feeling there is frustration. Neuroscience supports this: the chemicals released during frustration (adrenaline, norepinephrine) are exactly what set the stage for brain plasticity. Instead of rescuing kids from frustration (doing the puzzle for them, letting them quit at the first struggle), explicitly name and normalize it: “You’re in the learning space—that’s what learning feels like.” In classrooms or homes, you can even make the goal to notice and raise a hand when feeling frustrated, then celebrate that as evidence of learning in progress.

Give Kids Coherent Emotional Stories Instead of Silence or False Reassurance

Children are exquisitely attuned to adults’ emotional states; what destabilizes them is not the emotion itself but a mismatch between what they see and what they are told. Rather than hiding sadness or fear, Dr. Becky recommends brief, truthful narratives: “You were right to notice I was crying. I’m sad because Aunt Sally died. Dying means someone’s body stops working. I’m not dying; I’m still your strong parent and I can take care of you.” This converts raw, free-floating experience into a coherent narrative and prevents kids from creating frightening, inaccurate stories on their own.

Embody Authority: Protect, Don’t Control, and Stop Seeking Permission from Kids

Parents, leaders, and pilots all hold legitimate authority: their role is to create conditions for safety and long-term wellbeing, not to keep others happy in the moment. Dr. Becky suggests clearly owning this stance: “My number one job is to keep you safe, even if you’re upset with me.” That might mean enforcing phone rules, bedtime limits, or safety boundaries while still validating feelings. A key shift is to stop asking children to emotionally authorize your choices (“Don’t you want me to have friends?”) and instead locate yourself clearly in your own values and role.

Use Stories, Repair, and Tiny Steps Instead of Lectures

Kids (and adults) change more through stories and small experiments than through lectures. Dr. Becky repeatedly uses her own past mistakes as stories (lying about stealing stickers, hating then quitting a sport) to reduce kids’ shame and open space for honesty. She emphasizes repair—going back after yelling to own your behavior and reassure the child of your love—as the most important relationship skill. And she teaches “Miss Edson’s rule”: if something feels too hard, the first step isn’t small enough. Keep shrinking the step (from a page, to a sentence, to one word, or just saying “raise” aloud before asking for a raise) until action becomes possible, then build momentum from that win.

WORDS WORTH SAVING

5 quotes

Guilt is a feeling you have when you act out of alignment with your values.

Dr. Becky Kennedy

The learning space between not knowing and knowing has one feeling you’re supposed to have: frustration.

Dr. Becky Kennedy

It’s not my kid seeing me sad that destabilizes them. It’s seeing me sad and me making up a bogus story or denying it.

Dr. Becky Kennedy

Parents have authority. My number one job is to keep you safe—even if you’re upset with me.

Dr. Becky Kennedy

The only thing that comes naturally in parenting is how you were parented.

Dr. Becky Kennedy

Redefining guilt, shame, and “not-guilt” in parenting and adulthoodFrustration tolerance as the core of learning and resilienceHonest emotional modeling and coherent narratives for childrenHealthy authority, boundaries, and power dynamics in families and workplacesTechnology’s impact on attachment, attention, and emotional developmentUsing stories, questions, and repair to teach emotional skillsCapability-building through small steps, struggle, and imperfect modeling

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