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Protocols to Access Creative Energy and Process | Rick Rubin

In this episode, my guest is Rick Rubin, world-renowned music producer of numerous award-winning artists, including Johnny Cash, Red Hot Chili Peppers, Beastie Boys, Adele, Eminem, Slayer, and many more. Rick is also the host of the podcast Tetragrammaton and the author of the best-selling book about the creative process entitled “The Creative Act: A Way of Being.” In this Q&A episode, Rick explains the practical aspects of the creative process, such as specific morning and daily routines, the role of movement, and how to source and capture ideas, interpret dreams, and generate work-life balance. He also offers advice for those struggling with creative or motivation blocks. He explains how cultivating relationships with the unknown, uncertainty and life circumstances heightens the creative process. Rick’s insights into accessing your artistic spirit and direction apply to everyone and all realms of art, work, and life. Thank you to our sponsors AG1: https://drinkag1.com/huberman Maui Nui Venison: https://mauinuivenison.com/huberman Eight Sleep: https://eightsleep.com/huberman Waking Up: https://wakingup.com/huberman InsideTracker: https://insidetracker.com/huberman Momentous: https://livemomentous.com/huberman Rick Rubin Website: https://tetragrammaton.com Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/tetragrammaton.now YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@tetragrammaton_now X: https://twitter.com/RickRubin Broken Record: https://www.pushkin.fm/podcasts/broken-record Resources A History of Rock Music in 500 Songs (podcast): https://500songs.com Jack Kornfield: https://jackkornfield.com Meditation on Lovingkindness: https://jackkornfield.com/meditation-on-lovingkindness/ Asi Wind (mentalist): https://www.asiwind.com Rick Rubin on The Joe Rogan Experience: https://ogjre.com/episode/1881-rick-rubin Ramones - Loudmouth, 1975 (YouTube Clip): https://youtu.be/ZYmy--9NfYk?feature=shared Henry Rollins, Joe Strummer, Rick Rubin & Johnny Cash (photo): https://www.gettyimages.com/detail/news-photo/henry-rollins-joe-strummer-rick-rubin-and-johnny-cash-news-photo/1143776545 iPhone red screen: https://ios.gadgethacks.com/how-to/keep-your-night-vision-sharp-with-iphones-hidden-red-screen-0173903 Tetragrammaton episode with Andrew Huberman: https://youtu.be/uXYAEqukWJw Lift Run Shoot (podcast): https://youtube.com/playlist?list=PL7TKGmLLLg5X0h3QoEAiwGCzEztw4RXFT&feature=shared TAKE A DEEP BREATH (breathing exercise): https://youtu.be/i5apnLrzaT4?feature=shared&t=728 Books "The Creative Act: A Way of Being": https://amzn.to/48qgkAA "Wherever You Go, There You Are: Mindfulness Meditation in Everyday Life": https://amzn.to/3tus7PK Huberman Lab Episodes Mentioned Rick Rubin: How to Access Your Creativity (previous Rick Rubin episode): https://go.hubermanlab.com/zBB6x1ycYT Guest Series | Dr. Paul Conti: How to Understand & Assess Your Mental Health: https://go.hubermanlab.com/N8mwZxHpYT What Alcohol Does to Your Body, Brain & Health: https://go.hubermanlab.com/WIJpm8w1YT Timestamps 00:00:00 Rick Rubin 00:02:00 Sponsors: Maui Nui, Eight Sleep & Waking Up 00:06:27 Tool: Coherence Breathing, Heart Rate Variability 00:09:32 Treading Water, Podcasts 00:11:45 Tool: Meditation Practices 00:15:43 Sunlight, Skin, Circadian Rhythm 00:20:00 Headphones, Natural Living, Diet 00:24:31 Artificial Intelligence (AI); Childhood; Magic & Mentalists 00:28:34 Tool: Writer’s Block, Creativity, Diary Entries; Deadlines 00:34:58 Sponsor: AG1 00:35:54 Uncertainty; Creativity & Challenges; Sensitivity & Environment 00:40:43 Wrestling, Storytelling; Johnny Cash 00:48:51 Creative Endeavors & Outcome; Surprise in Oneself; Experimentation 00:56:36 Resistance; Business & Art 01:00:37 Sponsor: InsideTracker 01:01:39 Source of Ideas; Internet & Information 01:08:31 Dreams & Interpretation; Unconscious Mind; Motivations, Art & Outcome 01:14:07 Career Advice, Book Writing, Diary Entries, Expressive Writing 01:19:25 Music Industry; Capturing Ideas; Money & Ingenuity 01:25:21 Audience; Innovative Ideas 01:29:35 Alcohol, Confidence, Psychedelics 01:35:10 Creativity, Chaos & Organization; Shocking Experiences 01:42:13 News & False Stories; Playing, Wonder & Childhood 01:46:58 Ramones; Henry Rollins 01:49:55 Daily Routine; Red Light, Circadian Rhythm & “Cheap Photons” 01:57:46 Creativity, Experience vs. Institutions; Work, Stress & Relationships 02:04:29 Book Recommendations; Ancestry & Creativity 02:07:41 Experiencing Music; Developing Albums 02:12:28 Music Videos; Book Interpretation; Current Projects & Documentaries 02:16:40 Podcasting & Conversation 02:25:41 Zero-Cost Support, Spotify & Apple Reviews, YouTube Feedback, Sponsors, Momentous, Social Media, Neural Network Newsletter Title Card Photo Credit: Mike Blabac - https://www.blabacphoto.com Disclaimer: https://www.hubermanlab.com/disclaimer

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Dec 24, 20232h 28mWatch on YouTube ↗

At a glance

WHAT IT’S REALLY ABOUT

Rick Rubin Reveals Daily Rituals And Mindsets To Unlock Creativity

  1. Andrew Huberman hosts producer Rick Rubin for a highly practical, Q&A-driven deep dive into creativity, process, and daily protocols. Rubin details how breathing, meditation, light exposure, movement, and boundaries support his sensitivity and creative output. He reframes writer’s block, outcome-obsession, and “the industry” as mental constructs that undermine authentic work, emphasizing devotion to the process over results. Across stories of artists from Johnny Cash to the Geto Boys, and topics from diet to wrestling to dreams, Rubin shows creativity as a way of being rather than a technique.

IDEAS WORTH REMEMBERING

5 ideas

Use coherence breathing to improve heart rate variability and emotional regulation.

Rubin practices six breaths per minute (in and out at a slow, even cadence) for 10–20 minutes daily, often with eyes closed. He started specifically to raise his low heart rate variability, tracked the change, and saw measurable improvement. He fits it in flexibly—after treading water, sitting in the sun, or as a standalone practice—using counting to stay engaged (e.g., tracking breaths per minute and total minutes).

Treat creative work like a private diary entry to dissolve writer’s block.

Rubin argues that “blocks” usually come from self‑judgment or fear of others’ judgment, not a lack of ideas. By reframing every piece as a diary entry for yourself—honest, personal, not made to impress anyone—you make it impossible for others to invalidate it. The goal becomes: “Is this honest to where I’m at right now?” rather than “Will anyone like this?” That shift removes most of the friction at the start.

Avoid thinking about outcomes while creating; save that for after it’s finished.

Rubin is explicit that focusing on impact, sales, or reception during the creative process undermines the work. He views making as a devotional practice: you build the best thing you can, from your instinct and sensitivity, then only afterward consider how to share or market it. Any outcome-focused thinking during creation, he says, is wasted energy and weakens the art.

Engineer your environment—especially light and stimulation—to protect sensitivity and sleep.

Rubin sees himself as unusually sensitive and deliberately designs a “monk-like” life: minimal products, natural foods, lots of sun exposure, wired or even air-tube headphones, and red-lens glasses plus red-only lighting after sunset. His phone shifts to a red screen at night. He avoids work calls and bright screens in the evening, winds down with family, and is typically in bed by 10pm. He describes modern blue-heavy lighting as “loud devices” and prefers staying near a natural baseline.

Let multiple projects compete for ‘universal support’ instead of forcing one through.

Rubin often has many ideas and projects at different stages. If one hits an “impenetrable wall” and the energy around it dies, he doesn’t push—he shifts to a project that feels supported and fluid. He views the timing of ideas as not under his control; the “universe” effectively chooses which projects are ready. This portfolio approach reduces frustration and keeps momentum high.

WORDS WORTH SAVING

5 quotes

There are no blocks. The blocks are all based on dealing with a different force or a different perception that is made up.

Rick Rubin

Everything we make can be a personal reflection of who we are in that moment of time. It doesn’t have to be the greatest you could ever do.

Rick Rubin

The outcome happens… and that part that happens after it is completely out of your control. Putting any energy into that part… is a waste of time.

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I try to live in as natural a way as possible… I use hardly any products of any kind that aren’t just something that grows or lives on the planet.

Rick Rubin

If someone’s not telling the truth, then each person is experiencing a different understanding of the world. You’re living in two different worlds.

Rick Rubin

Coherence breathing, meditation, and heart rate variabilityDaily routines, light exposure, and sleep/health practicesHandling writer’s block, self-doubt, and fear of judgmentArtistic motivation, outcome-independence, and the “diary entry” mindsetSensitivity, boundaries, and protecting one’s inner landscapeTechnology, smartphones, and the modern information environmentCreative careers, money, industry pressures, and staying true to the work

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