Joe Rogan Experience #2295 - Scott Payne

Scott Payne is a retired FBI Special Agent who spent 28 years in law enforcement investigating cases against drug trafficking organizations, human traffickers, outlaw motorcycle clubs, gangs, public corruption, and domestic terrorists. He is the co-author of the book "Code Name: Pale Horse: How I Went Undercover to Expose America’s Nazis" and the subject of the podcast "White Hot Hate: Agent Pale Horse," both created in collaboration with journalist Michelle Shephard. https://www.simonandschuster.com/books/Code-Name-Pale-Horse/Scott-Payne/9781668032909 https://link.mgln.ai/63oNQg Join Visible by visiting https://visible.com/rogan and experience all-digital wireless with nothing to hide, with plans starting at $25/mo. Visit https://LifeLock.com/JOEROGAN to save up to 40% off.

Joe RoganhostScott Payneguest

Mar 27, 20252h 46mWatch on YouTube ↗

EPISODE INFO

Released: March 27, 2025
Duration: 2h 46m
Channel: The Joe Rogan Experience
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EPISODE DESCRIPTION

Scott Payne is a retired FBI Special Agent who spent 28 years in law enforcement investigating cases against drug trafficking organizations, human traffickers, outlaw motorcycle clubs, gangs, public corruption, and domestic terrorists. He is the co-author of the book "Code Name: Pale Horse: How I Went Undercover to Expose America’s Nazis" and the subject of the podcast "White Hot Hate: Agent Pale Horse," both created in collaboration with journalist Michelle Shephard. https://www.simonandschuster.com/books/Code-Name-Pale-Horse/Scott-Payne/9781668032909 https://link.mgln.ai/63oNQg Join Visible by visiting https://visible.com/rogan and experience all-digital wireless with nothing to hide, with plans starting at $25/mo. Visit https://LifeLock.com/JOEROGAN to save up to 40% off.

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EPISODE SUMMARY

In this episode of The Joe Rogan Experience, featuring Narrator and Joe Rogan, Joe Rogan Experience #2295 - Scott Payne explores undercover FBI Agent Reveals Biker Gangs, Nazis, and Neo-Nazis Within Former FBI undercover agent Scott Payne recounts 25 years infiltrating criminal worlds from street-level narcotics and biker gangs to the Ku Klux Klan and accelerationist neo-Nazi cells. He explains how undercover work really functions: building deep relationships he knows he will later betray, often with violent, damaged, or ideologically extreme people. Payne details harrowing operations, including nearly being discovered while wired inside an Outlaws MC clubhouse and embedding with The Base, a neo-Nazi group plotting race-war style attacks and ritual sacrifices. He also discusses the toll this work took on his body, marriage, and psyche, and the ethical and psychological complexities of befriending people he ultimately helped send to prison.

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