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#07 – Deep Dive: Lp(a) — what every doctor, and the 10-20% of the population at risk, needs to know

Original release date: 7/30/2018 This is our first “deep dive” episode that goes into detail on one topic. Pronounced, el-pee-little-a, this lipoprotein is simply described as a low-density lipoprotein (LDL) that has an apoprotein “a” attached to it…but Lp(a) goes far beyond its description in terms of its structure, function, and the role that it plays in cardiovascular health and disease. Affecting about 1-in-5 people, and not on the radar of many doctors, this is a deep dive into a very important subject for people to understand. We discuss: -A quick primer on lipoproteins [7:30]; -Intro to Lp(a) [11:00]; -Lab tests for Lp(a) and reference ranges [20:00]; -The physiologic functions of Lp(a) [31:00]; -The problems associated with high Lp(a) [34:15]; -Lipid-lowering therapies of Lp(a) [44:45]; -Lp(a) modification through lifestyle intervention [1:00:45]; -High LDL-P on a ketogenic/low-carb-high-fat diet [1:05:30]; and -More Show notes page: https://peterattiamd.com/lpa/ About: The Peter Attia Drive is a weekly, ultra-deep-dive podcast focusing on maximizing health, longevity, critical thinking…and a few other things. With over 10 million episodes downloaded, it features topics including fasting, ketosis, Alzheimer’s disease, cancer, mental health, and much more. Peter is the founder of Attia Medical, PC, a medical practice with offices in San Diego and New York City, focusing on the applied science of longevity. The practice applies nutritional biochemistry, exercise physiology, sleep physiology, techniques to increase distress tolerance, lipidology, pharmacology, and four-system endocrinology to increase lifespan (delaying the onset of chronic disease), while simultaneously improving healthspan (quality of life). Learn more: https://peterattiamd.com/ Subscribe to receive exclusive subscriber-only content: https://peterattiamd.com/subscribe/ Sign up to receive Peter's email newsletter: https://peterattiamd.com/newsletter/ Connect with Peter on: Facebook: http://bit.ly/PeterAttiaMDFB Twitter: http://bit.ly/PeterAttiaMDTW Instagram: http://bit.ly/PeterAttiaMDIG Subscribe to The Drive: Apple Podcast: http://bit.ly/TheDriveApplePodcasts Overcast: http://bit.ly/TheDriveOvercast Spotify: http://bit.ly/TheDriveSpotify Google Play: http://bit.ly/TheDriveGooglePlay

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At a glance

WHAT IT’S REALLY ABOUT

Peter Attia Explains Lp(a): Risks, Testing, Treatments, and What's Coming

  1. Attia describes Lp(a) as an LDL particle with an additional apolipoprotein(a) attached to its ApoB by a disulfide bond, with a structure resembling plasminogen and a variable kringle IV type 2 repeat region.
  2. He says elevated Lp(a) drives three problems: enhanced atherosclerosis, aortic stenosis, and venous thrombosis, with atherosclerosis being the greatest population-level concern because it is so prevalent.
  3. Lp(a) is best measured as particle number in nanomoles per liter rather than mass or cholesterol, because mass varies with apo(a) size and molecular weight is unknown; Attia wants it below 50 nmol/L.
  4. Current options are limited: statins don't lower Lp(a), niacin lowers it but is contested, PCSK9 inhibitors lower it roughly 30-50% off-label, and antisense oligonucleotides in phase three trials aim to cut it dramatically.
  5. Lp(a) is largely unaffected by lifestyle, so Attia treats it by aggressively lowering LDL-P with statins and other tools, and he argues patients should demand testing and doctors should learn about it.

IDEAS WORTH REMEMBERING

5 ideas

Lp(a) is an LDL particle with an apo(a) tail attached to ApoB.

Every apo(a) sits on an LDL particle, but not every LDL carries one, and people differ in how many of their LDLs have it and in apo(a) size.

Particle number is the best Lp(a) measurement.

Mass is distorted by apo(a) size, so two people with equal mass can have different particle counts; Attia prefers under 50 nmol/L and worries above 100 to 125.

Atherosclerosis is the biggest Lp(a) risk despite a smaller hazard ratio.

Attia argues a roughly 1.6 hazard ratio on a condition that affects a third of people matters more than a 3x ratio on rarer events like venous thromboembolism.

Attia screens elevated-Lp(a) patients for aortic stenosis.

He says about two-thirds of aortic stenosis cases are explained by elevated Lp(a), and he uses echo or preferably cardiac MRI even in patients in their 30s.

Statins don't lower Lp(a) but still matter for these patients.

Statins and other treatments target LDL-P, and Attia says patients with elevated Lp(a) usually need a lower LDL-P target, at or below the 10th percentile.

WORDS WORTH SAVING

5 quotes

So a 60% increase in risk on something that is going to kill a third of people is a big effing problem, whereas a 3% es- risk on something that's gonna, you know, ding 1% of people, yeah, we'll manage it, but, um, that's not what we stay up late thinking about.

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If you're listening to this as a patient, you should demand that your Lp be known. It's non-negotiable, especially if you have a family history of atherosclerotic disease.

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I'm still shocked at how many doctors don't understand this.

— Peter Attia

Has my knowledge gone up in five years? Yeah, it's gone up tenfold. The problem is my appreciation for how much information is out there on this topic has gone up 50-fold, so my relative insight has actually gone down fivefold.

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I don't want people to get the impression that if you have an elevated Lp you shouldn't be taking a statin. No, it's quite the opposite. You probably should be taking a statin, but just understand that the statin is there to control ApoB and not Lp.

— Peter Attia

Lipoprotein basics and ApoB particle countingStructure of Lp(a), apo(a) and kringle domainsLp(a) testing: mass vs cholesterol vs particle numberRisks: atherosclerosis, aortic stenosis, venous thrombosisTreatments: statins, niacin, PCSK9 inhibitors, apheresisAntisense oligonucleotides in developmentSaturated fat, ketogenic diets and LDL-P

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