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#101 – Ryan Holiday: Finding stillness amidst chaos

Ryan Holiday, bestselling author and author of Daily Stoic, discusses practical ways to find stillness and apply the insights of stoic philosophy in the midst of COVID-19 chaos. Ryan discusses the importance of taking back a feeling of control, the benefits of structure and routine, and the idea of being prepared for anything. We discuss: -Using times of adversity to evaluate and reflect how you’ve set up and prioritized your life [0:30]; -What insights might the famous stoics provide amidst this COVID-19 pandemic? [7:15]; -The possible consequences of the socially isolating nature of a pandemic (and why we need good leaders) [13:00]; -Stoicism—what it means and how to apply it [19:30]; -Lessons taken from the life of Winston Churchill—stillness, structure, routine, hobbies, empathy, forward thinking, and more [24:30]; -Alive time vs. dead time—taking control of your time and making it count [43:30]; -Auditing how the world (and its leaders) are handling the COVID-19 pandemic through the lens of stoic philosophy [50:00]; -Asserting control and using routine to find stillness in an environment not conducive for it [1:00:00]; -Why you should find a way to exercise, especially now [1:07:15]; -How to find purpose during this time—goal setting, having a project to work on, and the benefits of keeping a journal [1:11:45]; -What is Ryan most optimistic about and what is he most concerned about over the next few months? [1:20:15]; -How can you follow Ryan’s work and messages about stoicism and stillness? [1:31:15]; and -More. Show notes page: https://peterattiamd.com/ryanholiday2/ -------- About: The Peter Attia Drive is a weekly, ultra-deep-dive podcast focusing on maximizing health, longevity, critical thinking…and a few other things. With over 30 million episodes downloaded, it features topics including fasting, ketosis, Alzheimer’s disease, cancer, mental health, and much more. Peter is a physician focusing on the applied science of longevity. His practice deals extensively with nutritional interventions, exercise physiology, sleep physiology, emotional and mental health, and pharmacology to increase lifespan (delay the onset of chronic disease), while simultaneously improving healthspan (quality of life). Learn more: https://peterattiamd.com Subscribe to receive exclusive subscriber-only content: https://peterattiamd.com/subscribe Sign up to receive Peter's email newsletter: https://peterattiamd.com/newsletter Connect with Peter on: Facebook: http://bit.ly/PeterAttiaMDFB Twitter: http://bit.ly/PeterAttiaMDTW Instagram: http://bit.ly/PeterAttiaMDIG Subscribe to The Drive: Apple Podcast: http://bit.ly/TheDriveApplePodcasts Overcast: http://bit.ly/TheDriveOvercast Spotify: http://bit.ly/TheDriveSpotify Google Podcasts: http://bit.ly/TheDriveGoogle

Peter AttiahostRyan Holidayguest
Mar 31, 20201h 22mWatch on YouTube ↗

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At a glance

WHAT IT’S REALLY ABOUT

Ryan Holiday applies Stoic lessons and Churchill's example to pandemic uncertainty

  1. Holiday argues that adversity is a chance to re-examine a status quo people assumed was non-negotiable, and that the pandemic shows how much of life can change when forced.
  2. He frames Stoicism as focusing on what you control and how you respond, citing Marcus Aurelius, who led during the Antonine Plague and warned that panic and greed damage character more than plague threatens life.
  3. Churchill is held up as a model of stillness under long stress, using daily rituals such as painting, bricklaying, walking and napping, and using his decade in the political wilderness productively rather than bitterly.
  4. Both men offer practical tactics for confinement: deliberate routines, exercise, journaling, projects and goals, limiting social media, and asserting agency in small ways as Rubin 'Hurricane' Carter did in prison.
  5. Holiday criticizes leadership failures and the trade-offs voters made in choosing leaders, while Attia voices concern about ICU capacity, economic fallout and the limits of worry.

IDEAS WORTH REMEMBERING

5 ideas

Adversity exposes assumptions we thought were non-negotiable.

Both men note that things they would have called impossible, such as months without travel, turned out to be possible, and Holiday even felt relief when canceled events revealed his mixed feelings about his old pace.

The Stoic core is controlling your response, not events.

Holiday says Stoicism means focusing on what is in your immediate purview, such as family, finances and preparing for things getting worse, rather than on blame or complaint.

Character is the real danger in a crisis.

Holiday recounts Marcus Aurelius saying a plague can only threaten your life, while selfishness, greed and panic ruin your character as well.

Rituals and hobbies protect against constant reaction.

Holiday points to Churchill's daily painting, bricklaying and napping, and to golf for presidents, and to his own one-hour pause on a work call, as ways to avoid rash decisions.

Unexpected free time can be used well or wasted.

Holiday argues the period is like load management for rest, reflection and experimentation, and Churchill's exile years of studying Hitler's writings prepared him for his later role.

WORDS WORTH SAVING

5 quotes

A lot of the things we think are non-negotiable, we're just actually not willing to negotiate, but of course aren't non-negotiable.

— Ryan Holiday

Philosophy isn't supposed to be this kind of abstract theoretical thing that you do in a college classroom. It's designed for this. It's designed for when you're holed up in your house and you don't like how things are.

— Ryan Holiday

I don't think stoicism is about making you unbreakable. I think it, it's about making you stronger, but I think the reality is really bad stuff happens, and we have no choice but to sort of assent to it.

— Ryan Holiday

How can you find some ways to assert agency in the midst of all of this powerlessness? And, and I think you'll find that that's really reassuring.

— Ryan Holiday

Worry is only productive when it motivates me to do something.

— Peter Attia

Stoicism as an operating systemMarcus Aurelius and the Antonine PlagueChurchill's routines and years in exileAlive time versus dead timeHobbies and detachment for leadersRoutine, exercise and journaling at homeLeadership failure and preparation for worst cases

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