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#139 - Kristin Neff, Ph.D.: The power of self-compassion

Kristin Neff is a Professor of Educational Psychology at the University of Texas, author, and a leading expert on mindful self-compassion. In this episode, she shares how developing a self-compassion and mindfulness practice was the most effective tool for relieving her own suffering, and provides strategies and tactics to improve self-compassion and well-being. We discuss: 00:00:00 - Intro 00:03:30 - The life crisis that turned Kristin to mindfulness and self-compassion 00:09:45 - How mindful self-compassion relieved Kristin’s feelings of self-judgement, and the psychology that says we all have the capacity for self-compassion 00:17:15 - Peter’s history of self-criticism and his personal practice of self-compassion 00:20:15 - The problem with prioritizing self-esteem over self-compassion, and how self-compassion produces a more stable version of self-worth 00:26:15 - An argument for self-compassion over self-criticism for optimizing performance 00:31:45 - How and when to introduce self-compassion to children 00:36:45 - Learning her son had autism—a personal story of how Kristin used mindfulness and self-compassion 00:40:00 - Self-compassion for cases of childhood trauma, PTSD, and overcoming a “fear of compassion” 00:49:30 - The relationship between self-compassion and physical health 00:52:30 - Distinguishing between self-compassion and self-pity, and the three necessary components self-compassion 00:55:45 - Why self-criticism comes from a desire to be safe, the circular pattern of self-judgment, and self-compassion as the ultimate motivator 00:58:45 - Potential role of a self-compassion practice for addiction and other maladaptive behaviors 01:01:45 - Clinical applications and practical uses of self-compassion 01:04:45 - Why you don’t need to meditate to learn mindfulness and self-compassion 01:08:40 - Kristin’s personal meditation practice 01:11:45 - Resources for learning self-compassion Show notes page: https://peterattiamd.com/kristinneff/ About: The Peter Attia Drive is a weekly, ultra-deep-dive podcast focusing on maximizing health, longevity, critical thinking…and a few other things. With over 30 million episodes downloaded, it features topics including fasting, ketosis, Alzheimer’s disease, cancer, mental health, and much more. Peter is a physician focusing on the applied science of longevity. His practice deals extensively with nutritional interventions, exercise physiology, sleep physiology, emotional and mental health, and pharmacology to increase lifespan (delay the onset of chronic disease), while simultaneously improving healthspan (quality of life). Learn more: https://peterattiamd.com/ Subscribe to receive exclusive subscriber-only content: https://peterattiamd.com/subscribe/ Sign up to receive Peter's email newsletter: https://peterattiamd.com/newsletter/ Connect with Peter on: Facebook: http://bit.ly/PeterAttiaMDFB Twitter: http://bit.ly/PeterAttiaMDTW Instagram: http://bit.ly/PeterAttiaMDIG Subscribe to The Drive: Apple Podcast: http://bit.ly/TheDriveApplePodcasts Overcast: http://bit.ly/TheDriveOvercast Spotify: http://bit.ly/TheDriveSpotify Google Play: http://bit.ly/TheDriveGooglePlay

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Nov 30, 20201h 16mWatch on YouTube ↗

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At a glance

WHAT IT’S REALLY ABOUT

Kristin Neff Explains Self-Compassion Versus Self-Esteem, Self-Criticism, Trauma, and Health

  1. Neff traces her path from moral-development research to self-compassion, beginning when a personal crisis led her to a Thich Nhat Hanh meditation group where she learned to be actively kind to herself.
  2. She argues self-compassion gives a more stable sense of worth than self-esteem, which depends on performance and comparison, and that it motivates better than harsh self-criticism, citing a Berkeley vocabulary-test study.
  3. She says self-compassion has three components (self-kindness, mindfulness, common humanity) that work as a system, and that common humanity and mindfulness are what distinguish it from self-pity.
  4. She discusses applications including childhood trauma, PTSD in combat veterans, parenting her autistic son, physical health markers, and possible but largely unproven roles in addiction.
  5. She stresses that mindfulness is necessary but meditation is not, and points listeners to the Mindful Self-Compassion program, workbook, and related books as starting points.

IDEAS WORTH REMEMBERING

5 ideas

We already have a compassionate part that can be aimed inward

Neff says most people are experts at compassion toward others, so learning self-compassion mostly means redirecting that existing skill, as Peter's daily recorded messages to himself illustrated.

Self-compassion offers more stable self-worth than self-esteem

Self-esteem tied to performance or comparison rises and falls with outcomes, whereas Neff says self-compassion provides an unconditional sense of worth and explains stability over time better than self-esteem measures.

Self-criticism works somewhat but has costs

Neff concedes harsh self-criticism has helped many people through med or law school, but says it brings performance anxiety and disconnection, while constructive, supportive feedback is more effective.

Self-compassion helps people learn from failure

In the Berkeley study, students told to be self-compassionate about a failed test studied longer and harder than the self-esteem and no-instruction groups, which related to better results on the retest.

Self-criticism comes from a desire for safety

Neff advises thanking the inner critic for trying to keep us safe rather than silencing it, because a suppressed critic shouts louder and a compassionate voice motivates more sustainably.

WORDS WORTH SAVING

5 quotes

It's actually easier than you might think to help people get in touch with their compassionate self, because for many, many people, that compassionate self is very, very well-practiced. It's an expert just aimed at others.

— Kristin Neff

We criticize ourselves because we care. The reason we criticize ourselves is because we want to be well, we want to do our best, we want to be safe, we want people to love us, to support us.

— Kristin Neff

You feel worthy, not because you're good at something that you value. You feel worthy just because you're a human being, an intrinsic sense of self-worth, and that's the type of self-esteem that self-compassion gives you.

— Kristin Neff

The more I could accept my own difficult feelings about his autism, the more I could actually accept his autism.

— Kristin Neff

You don't need to meditate to be mindful. So meditation is probably the most tried and true way to increase mindfulness, but being mindful is just kind of being aware.

— Kristin Neff

Neff's personal crisis and discovery of self-compassionSelf-compassion versus self-esteemSelf-criticism, performance, and motivationThree components of self-compassionTrauma, attachment, and fear of self-compassionSelf-compassion and physical healthMindfulness without meditation and learning resources

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