Trump's Tariffs and Tirades Fuel Market Mayhem | Pivot

Kara Swisher and Scott Galloway break down how Trump's talk on tariffs, and his attacks on Fed Chair Jerome Powell caused markets to seesaw. Then, Elon Musk retreats from DOGE as Tesla faces brutal earnings. Plus, Instagram co-founder Kevin Systrom testifies in the Meta antitrust trial, Sarah Palin loses her libel case against The New York Times, and new details emerge from the newly discovered will of late Zappos CEO Tony Hsieh. Timestamps: 00:00 Intro 7:58 Instagram Co-Founder’s Testimony Against Meta 18:19 Meta and Apple Fined By EU 21:28 Sarah Palin Loses NYT Suit 25:07 Late Zappos Co-Founder’s Newly Found Will 30:17 Elon Stepping Back from DOGE 32:11 Elon and Tesla’s Future 49:44 Trump Sparks Market Mayhem 1:01:32 Predictions #pivot #podcast #karaswisher #scottgalloway #instagram #markzuckerberg #meta #apple #sarahpalin #zappos #tonyhsieh #elonmusk #tesla #donaldtrump #tariffs #markets #economy Producers: Lara Naaman Zoë Marcus Taylor Griffin Video Editor: Jim Mackil Vox Media's Executive Producer of Podcasts: Nishat Kurwa Subscribe to Pivot on Apple Podcasts: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/pivot/id1073226719 Subscribe to Pivot on Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/4MU3RFGELZxPT9XHVwTNPR Follow us on Instagram and Threads at: https://www.instagram.com/pivotpodcastofficial Follow us on TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@PIVOTPODCAST Send us your questions by calling us at 855-51-PIVOT, or at https://podcasts.voxmedia.com/show/pivot

Scott GallowayhostKara SwisherhostKevin SystromguestGuestguest

Apr 25, 20251h 12mWatch on YouTube ↗

EPISODE INFO

Released: April 25, 2025
Duration: 1h 12m
Channel: Pivot
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EPISODE DESCRIPTION

Kara Swisher and Scott Galloway break down how Trump's talk on tariffs, and his attacks on Fed Chair Jerome Powell caused markets to seesaw. Then, Elon Musk retreats from DOGE as Tesla faces brutal earnings. Plus, Instagram co-founder Kevin Systrom testifies in the Meta antitrust trial, Sarah Palin loses her libel case against The New York Times, and new details emerge from the newly discovered will of late Zappos CEO Tony Hsieh. Timestamps: 00:00 Intro 7:58 Instagram Co-Founder’s Testimony Against Meta 18:19 Meta and Apple Fined By EU 21:28 Sarah Palin Loses NYT Suit 25:07 Late Zappos Co-Founder’s Newly Found Will 30:17 Elon Stepping Back from DOGE 32:11 Elon and Tesla’s Future 49:44 Trump Sparks Market Mayhem 1:01:32 Predictions #pivot #podcast #karaswisher #scottgalloway #instagram #markzuckerberg #meta #apple #sarahpalin #zappos #tonyhsieh #elonmusk #tesla #donaldtrump #tariffs #markets #economy Producers: Lara Naaman Zoë Marcus Taylor Griffin Video Editor: Jim Mackil Vox Media's Executive Producer of Podcasts: Nishat Kurwa Subscribe to Pivot on Apple Podcasts: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/pivot/id1073226719 Subscribe to Pivot on Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/4MU3RFGELZxPT9XHVwTNPR Follow us on Instagram and Threads at: https://www.instagram.com/pivotpodcastofficial Follow us on TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@PIVOTPODCAST Send us your questions by calling us at 855-51-PIVOT, or at https://podcasts.voxmedia.com/show/pivot

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Kevin Systrom
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EPISODE SUMMARY

In this episode of Pivot, featuring Scott Galloway and Kara Swisher, Trump's Tariffs and Tirades Fuel Market Mayhem | Pivot explores trump’s Tariffs, Musk’s Missteps, and Tech’s Antitrust Reckoning Collide Kara Swisher and Scott Galloway move from banter about awards into a dense discussion of tech power, antitrust, media law, and macroeconomics. They unpack Kevin Systrom’s testimony about Meta’s treatment of Instagram, EU fines under the Digital Markets Act, and Sarah Palin’s failed defamation suit against the New York Times. The conversation then shifts to Elon Musk—Tesla’s plunging margins, the hollow substance of the Doge “efficiency” drive, and Scott’s prediction that Musk will ultimately merge Tesla with his AI/space ventures. They close by examining Trump’s chaotic tariff policy, its damage to “brand America,” and how fiscal reality, not culture wars, will ultimately determine economic and political outcomes.

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