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The craft of storytelling with Ann Patchett | ReThinking

Ann Patchett is an award-winning novelist—her most recent bestseller is Whistler—and she also owns an independent bookstore in Nashville. In this episode, Adam asks Ann about where she finds her ideas and how she shapes them into great stories. Along with the craft of writing, they discuss the mindsets and skillsets involved in seeing and bringing out the best in others. Ann also recounts the challenge she set herself to rethink her stance on social interaction. Follow our podcasts! ReThinking with Adam Grant: https://link.mgln.ai/kdYcyx The TED Podcasts is a collection of podcasts for the curious. The TED Podcasts videos may be used for non-commercial purposes under a Creative Commons License, Attribution–Non Commercial–No Derivatives (or the CC BY – NC – ND 4.0 International) and in accordance with our TED Talks Usage Policy (https://www.ted.com/about/our-organiz...). For more information on using TED for commercial purposes (e.g. employee learning, in a film or online course), please submit a Media Request at https://media-requests.ted.com.

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Jul 9, 202640mWatch on YouTube ↗

At a glance

WHAT IT’S REALLY ABOUT

Ann Patchett on writing discipline, love of craft, community reading

  1. Patchett argues the most crucial storytelling skill is the willingness to keep showing up and practicing, treating writing like a craft built through repetition, revision, and persistence rather than waiting for talent or inspiration.
  2. She reframes writing “practice” as iterative revision with feedback, learning, and sometimes discarding work so the true end game becomes improvement—not publication or prestige.
  3. Patchett contrasts fiction’s godlike freedom and burden of total creation with nonfiction’s more bounded, “found” narratives, illustrating how life can deliver a perfectly shaped essay through real events.
  4. As a bookstore owner, she emphasizes that any reading is good reading, that bookstores foster serendipitous discovery and human connection, and that “reading is dead” narratives don’t match her lived evidence of thriving reader communities.
  5. They explore themes from her novel (including skepticism of performative positivity), the role of randomness in shaping lives, and how deliberate changes in self-talk helped her rethink and genuinely enjoy book tour.

IDEAS WORTH REMEMBERING

5 ideas

Show up is the core storytelling skill.

Patchett downplays “muse” and “talent” in favor of daily return to the chair, even after a day of producing nothing, treating writing like instrumental practice that compounds over time.

Practice means revise, get feedback, and iterate—sometimes by starting over.

Her model is to revise repeatedly, have a friend read, improve again, and when the piece has taught you what it can, discard it so the next story benefits from the skill growth.

Publication is a byproduct; becoming better is the goal.

She criticizes the “polish one story for The New Yorker” mindset, arguing that fixation on an external endpoint can stunt development compared to a learning-oriented pipeline of work.

Write for the act of writing first, then decide what to do with it.

A lesson from Elizabeth Gilbert: a brilliant piece can be private; approaching writing as inherently worthwhile reduces performative pressure and keeps the craft grounded in love, not validation.

Fiction’s freedom is also its constraint: you must build everything.

Patchett describes fiction as being “God”—creating people, world, stakes, and arc—while nonfiction often arrives with built-in boundaries (where it begins/ends) when life hands you a shaped narrative.

WORDS WORTH SAVING

5 quotes

I think every book is a gateway drug. If you can get people to read and you get them comfortable in a bookstore, then they're going to read other books. If you read nothing, you're always gonna read nothing.

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The ability to keep showing up when you have sat in a chair all day long and come up with nothing, to be willing to go back and do it the next day and the next day and the next day.

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The end game is not publication. The end game is becoming a better writer.

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They want to be a writer, but they don't wanna write.

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Why do we take the darkest parts of our nature to be somehow more credible and true? And I don't believe that. I believe in what I see.

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Writing as practice and persistenceRevision, feedback, and discarding draftsProcess love vs publication goalsFiction vs nonfiction constraints and freedomBookstores as community and discovery enginesReading habits, genre divides, and gateway booksRandomness, agency, and rethinking self-talk

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