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Your attention span is not broken with historian Daniel Immerwahr | ReThinking with Adam Grant

In the age of social media and short-form content, many people insist that our attention spans are getting shorter. But historian Daniel Immerwahr reminds us that people have cried wolf for centuries about technology hijacking our attention. In this episode, Adam and Daniel dive into evidence that what’s changing is not our attention spans, but the objects of our focus. They also discuss moral panics of the past, compare the cognitive benefits of video games and the opera, and debate whether or not Marvel movies are a waste of time. Follow Host: Adam Grant (Instagram: @adamgrant | LinkedIn: @adammgrant | Website: adamgrant.net/) Guest: Daniel Immerwahr (Website: history.northwestern.edu/people/faculty/core-faculty/daniel-immerwahr.html) Links How to Hide an Empire: A History of the Greater United States Subscribe to TED Instagram: @ted YouTube: @TED TikTok: @tedtoks LinkedIn: @ted-conferences Website: ted.com Podcasts: ted.com/podcasts The TED Audio Collective is a collection of podcasts for the curious. The TED Audio Collective videos may be used for non-commercial purposes under a Creative Commons License, Attribution–Non Commercial–No Derivatives (or the CC BY – NC – ND 4.0 International) and in accordance with our TED Talks Usage Policy (https://www.ted.com/about/our-organiz...). For more information on using TED for commercial purposes (e.g. employee learning, in a film or online course), please submit a Media Request at https://media-requests.ted.com. 00:00 Intro 00:17 What's going on with our attention? 01:59 The attention crisis throughout history 07:01 Is paying attention always good? 10:50 Can attention spans be measured? 13:25 Our attention spans aren't getting shorter 20:00 Should kids be reading more novels? 24:01 Worries about the future 26:22 Are we in a moral panic? 29:26 Comic books & Marvel movies 31:49 Takeaways

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Aug 1, 202532mWatch on YouTube ↗

At a glance

WHAT IT’S REALLY ABOUT

The attention crisis is more moral panic than cognitive decline

  1. Daniel Immerwahr argues the popular claim that technology is “shrinking attention spans” is conceptually weak and historically repetitive, resembling earlier panics about novels, pianos, and other media.
  2. They highlight an apparent contradiction in modern complaints: we say people are distracted, yet also increasingly polarized and niche-obsessive—suggesting distraction coexists with deep, sustained attention.
  3. The conversation reframes attention as task- and motivation-dependent rather than a fixed trait, making “attention span” hard to measure as a single innate capacity.
  4. A large cross-national meta-analysis (1990–2021) is discussed showing no decline in children’s concentration performance and improvements among adults, undermining claims of broad attentional deterioration.
  5. Instead of asking whether we can pay attention, they argue the more meaningful debate is normative and cultural: what deserves our attention, and when does concern become a moral panic versus a real emergency?

IDEAS WORTH REMEMBERING

5 ideas

“Attention spans are collapsing” conflicts with “people are becoming more obsessed.”

Immerwahr notes that polarization and niche “micro-tribes” (fandoms, conspiracies) often involve intense, sustained focus, suggesting the era of distraction is also an era of obsession.

Attention isn’t a single measurable tank; it’s task-specific.

They argue psychology can measure performance on tasks, but not a universal “attention span” like height—because how long you focus depends on context, incentives, and interest.

The best evidence discussed doesn’t show a broad attention decline.

Grant cites a meta-analysis across 32 countries (1990–2021) finding children’s sustained-attention performance did not drop and adults’ performance increased, challenging the standard doom narrative.

The real complaint is often about “wrong objects of attention,” not inability to focus.

Long, effortful engagement still exists (e.g., 75+ hour games like Baldur’s Gate 3); the controversy shifts to whether opera/novels are “better” than games/social media and why.

Media panics repeat, and yesterday’s “junk” becomes today’s “gold standard.”

Novels once triggered alarm (including moralized fears about women readers), just as screens do now—suggesting our judgments are shaped by nostalgia and status, not only cognition.

WORDS WORTH SAVING

5 quotes

So weirdly, the age of distraction is also the age of obsession.

Daniel Immerwahr

I found a, uh, uh, 1843 complaint by the, uh, writer Nathaniel Hawthorne... He's like, "The generation that is born after this, they're never gonna have real conversations... because basic possibility for people existing in community has been eroded by this new technology." And he's talking about the stove replacing the open hearth.

Daniel Immerwahr

I just have to acknowledge, that is not what the internet has done to us.

Daniel Immerwahr

Like, I would say, "Okay, climate change, that's an emergency. Short attention spans, that's a panic."

Daniel Immerwahr

My biggest takeaway from Daniel is that we have not lost the capacity to pay attention. What's shifted is our motivation. It's not that we can't focus. It's that we're interested in focusing on different things than we were in the past.

Adam Grant

Historical cycles of attention panicsDistraction versus obsession in niche cultureAttention as motivation- and task-dependentEvidence on attention over time (meta-analysis)Novels, empathy, and critical thinking trade-offsInternet participation: passive TV vs interactive feedback loopsMoral panic framework and evaluating present through history

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