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You may know John Green as the best-selling author of The Fault In Our Stars or the co-creator of the popular YouTube education channel Crash Course. In this episode, John joins Adam for a live conversation at the Authors@Wharton series to discuss his book Everything is Tuberculosis and his mission to fight diseases of injustice. The two also explore strategies for finding motivation and creativity, address John’s banned books, explain how writing is like playing Marco Polo, and uncover John’s favorite Hank Green invention. Follow Host: Adam Grant (Instagram: @adamgrant | LinkedIn: @adammgrant | Website: adamgrant.net/) Guest: John Green (Instagram: @johngreenwritesbooks | TikTok: @literallyjohngreen | Website: johngreenbooks.com/) Links Crash Course YouTube Everything is Tuberculosis by John Green Authors@Wharton Program Subscribe to TED Instagram: @ted YouTube: @TED TikTok: @tedtoks LinkedIn: @ted-conferences Website: ted.com Podcasts: ted.com/podcasts The TED Audio Collective is a collection of podcasts for the curious. The TED Audio Collective videos may be used for non-commercial purposes under a Creative Commons License, Attribution–Non Commercial–No Derivatives (or the CC BY – NC – ND 4.0 International) and in accordance with our TED Talks Usage Policy (https://www.ted.com/about/our-organiz...). For more information on using TED for commercial purposes (e.g. employee learning, in a film or online course), please submit a Media Request at https://media-requests.ted.com. 00:00 Intro 00:45 Everything Is Tuberculosis 02:09 Meeting a tuberculosis patient 04:35 Why haven't we cured tuberculosis? 07:16 Taking on Big Pharma 11:57 John's fight with Hank 12:40 How writing is like Marco Polo 15:25 OCD and disease 17:22 Confronting irrational beliefs 18:32 Banned books 20:34 Dealing with writer's block 21:43 Learning from bad books 22:27 Finding value in creating 23:43 John's favorite Hank Green invention 25:22 Why humanity is worth saving 27:06 Sibling relationships 28:00 Motivational quotes 30:27 Lightning round

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Jul 18, 202535mWatch on YouTube ↗

At a glance

WHAT IT’S REALLY ABOUT

John Green on tuberculosis injustice, pharma pressure, and meaning-making creativity

  1. Tuberculosis remains the world’s deadliest infectious disease largely because global systems do not value all human lives equally, despite the fact that TB is curable with existing tools.
  2. Green’s commitment deepened after meeting Henry, a TB patient in Sierra Leone, whose prolonged and difficult treatment personalized the moral urgency behind the statistics.
  3. Pharmaceutical incentives often misalign with public health needs, but targeted advocacy and pressure can reduce prices and expand access, as seen with the TB drug bedaquiline after patent pressure enabled generic competition.
  4. Public investment is irreplaceable in TB control, and interruptions in funding (e.g., treatment disruptions) can drive drug resistance and create broader societal risk.
  5. Green connects his creative life and mental health to his work, arguing for permission to be imperfect while creating, resisting external-validation dependence, and finding meaning through community and attention.

IDEAS WORTH REMEMBERING

5 ideas

TB persists because neglect is structural, not scientific.

Green argues the central barrier isn’t a lack of cures but a lack of equal valuation of lives—TB concentrates where poverty and weak health systems limit access to tools that already exist.

Personal stories convert abstract mortality into moral urgency.

Meeting Henry in Sierra Leone—and later reconnecting—turned “1.25 million deaths” into an emotionally comprehensible reality, motivating sustained advocacy beyond awareness-raising.

TB is curable, but the cure is operationally hard.

Months-long daily combination antibiotics (and far longer regimens for drug-resistant TB) make adherence fragile; interrupted treatment can be catastrophic and accelerates resistance.

Drug resistance is not only an individual tragedy; it’s a community-level threat.

Treatment gaps increase the spread of harder-to-treat strains, raising the risk of a future TB variant with few or no effective tools—effectively “back to the 1910s.”

Market incentives reliably underdeliver for diseases of poverty.

Green highlights how profit-maximization can make low-need “lifestyle” drugs more attractive than lifesaving TB innovations, requiring public pressure and policy to correct misalignment.

WORDS WORTH SAVING

5 quotes

The short answer to why we don't cure it is that we simply have systems that don't value all human lives equally.

John Green

What drives me absolutely bonkers is knowing that we have the ability to confront this disease and that we choose not to.

John Green

But at any rate, that's how I think of writing, is that I'm sitting in my basement for years saying, writing some version of Marco, Marco, Marco, and, uh, eventually the book comes out and for the first time I hear someone say back to me, "Polo."

John Green

You know, I, I've lived with, with fairly serious illness for most of my adult life, and yet I also have a really wonderful life, and those things aren't mutually exclusive at all.

John Green

I, I think the meaning of life is to be with each other, to be in community, and to carry each other through everything in life, and I think that's why we're here.

John Green

TB as an “exemplary disease of injustice”Henry’s story and the humanization of TB statisticsTreatment burden, adherence, and drug-resistant TB risksPharma incentives, patent strategy, and bedaquiline pricingRole of USAID/foreign aid and consequences of funding interruptionsAdvocacy tactics: private negotiations vs public naming-and-shamingWriting process: permission to be bad, learning from bad booksOCD, irrational fears, and information ecosystemsBook bans and the chilling effect on libraries and schoolsMeaning of life: community, attention, and solidarity

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