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Why your nose and sense of smell is secretly controlling your life | ReThinking with Adam Grant

Do you hate the taste of cilantro and chocolate? You might be a super taster! Rachel Herz is a neuroscientist at Brown University who specializes in taste and smell. In this episode, Adam, Rachel, and Adam’s wife Allison Sweet Grant investigate the sources of their different food preferences, uncover the overlooked power of smell, and analyze the effects of the gene that can turn some people into picky eaters. Follow Host: Adam Grant (Instagram: @adamgrant | LinkedIn: @adammgrant | Website: adamgrant.net/) Guest: Rachel Herz (Instagram | LinkedIn: @rachelherz | Website: rachelherz.com/) Links Books: Why You Eat What You Eat (2019), That’s Disgusting (2013), The Scent of Desire (2008) Subscribe to TED Instagram: @ted YouTube: @TED TikTok: @tedtoks LinkedIn: @ted-conferences Website: ted.com Podcasts: ted.com/podcasts The TED Audio Collective is a collection of podcasts for the curious. The TED Audio Collective videos may be used for non-commercial purposes under a Creative Commons License, Attribution–Non Commercial–No Derivatives (or the CC BY – NC – ND 4.0 International) and in accordance with our TED Talks Usage Policy (https://www.ted.com/about/our-organiz...). For more information on using TED for commercial purposes (e.g. employee learning, in a film or online course), please submit a Media Request at https://media-requests.ted.com. 00:00 Intro 00:44 What is a super taster? 05:15 How does taste affect your life? 09:03 Taste vs. smell 14:15 How important is smell? 18:30 The emotional value of smell 22:58 Can you smell diseases? 26:33 Lightning round

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Jul 25, 202531mWatch on YouTube ↗

At a glance

WHAT IT’S REALLY ABOUT

Smell and taste genetics shape health, emotion, relationships, and perception

  1. Super tasting is largely genetic, driven by taste-bud density and receptor variants, and often heightens bitterness and intensity (e.g., coffee, alcohol, leafy greens).
  2. Taste/smell sensitivity meaningfully influences behavior and health risks, from lower likelihood of heavy smoking/drinking to dietary avoidance that can raise risks like higher colon cancer rates in super tasters.
  3. Smell perception depends on both receptor biology (e.g., sensitivity to trimethylamine in “fishy” odors) and context, where visual cues and meaning can flip liking/disliking for the exact same scent.
  4. People systematically undervalue smell—even after COVID-related anosmia—despite evidence that smell loss can profoundly damage emotion, cognition, social connection, and sense of self.
  5. Human odor can carry diagnostic signals (e.g., infections, diabetes breath, Parkinson’s-related changes), and attentiveness to baseline smells enables detection of “something different.”

IDEAS WORTH REMEMBERING

5 ideas

Super tasting is a genetic intensity profile, not a preference choice.

Herz frames super tasting as largely determined by inherited alleles that influence taste-bud density and bitter sensitivity, which can make common items (coffee, alcohol, dark chocolate, greens) feel painfully bitter or “burning.”

Olfactory receptor differences can make the same food smell wildly different to different people.

Sensitivity often reflects receptor “copy number” and variants; heightened tuning to compounds like trimethylamine can make fish smell overpowering and therefore unpleasant to some, while others find it tolerable.

Smell and taste can diverge; “smells bad, tastes good” is real.

Herz explains that chewing releases additional volatiles (retronasal olfaction), changing the aroma profile relative to sniffing—helping explain items like stinky tofu or pungent cheeses that can taste appealing.

Context can flip perception—even with the identical scent or food.

Because smells are invisible, the brain leans on visual/auditory cues to assign meaning; Herz describes experiments where the same odor was liked in one framing and disliked in another, with participants doubting it was the same stimulus.

Taste sensitivity can shape health and addiction risk in opposite directions.

Greater intensity can raise the “barrier to entry” for heavy smoking/drinking (burn and bitterness), yet avoidance of bitter, antioxidant-rich vegetables may push some super tasters toward less protective diets and higher risk markers (e.g., colon cancer) unless they intentionally substitute healthier options.

WORDS WORTH SAVING

5 quotes

Still, 25% of college students would rather lose their sense of smell than their cellphone. 50% actually would rather lose their sense of smell than their hair. Okay, so that so hair ended up being, like, super important. I'm like, hair? I mean, yes, I like my hair, too, but it's not doing anything.

Rachel Herz

Well, in all honesty, this may sound extreme to you, but I think that they should get, um, you know, between 90 and 100% of their net worth, because what people don't understand, their entire life was turned upside down in tremendously devastating ways.

Rachel Herz

It's actually because the part of the brain that is processing our conscious perception of scent is the same part of the brain that is processing emotion and emotional learning and memory.

Rachel Herz

You don't potentially realize it, but even being able to smell yourself, that's kind of like who you are. And if you don't have that, you kind of, like, lose yourself.

Rachel Herz

The whole is not the same as the sum of the parts when it comes to smell, so you can never be sure exactly what you're getting into.

Rachel Herz

What “super taster” means biologicallyGenetic inheritance of taste intensityTaste/smell interplay and food aversionsFishy odor chemistry (trimethylamine) and receptor copy numberContext effects: vision, meaning, and expectation shaping flavorUndervaluation of smell (COVID, surveys, legal compensation)Smell’s role in emotion, memory, identity, relationships, and diagnosis

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