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Breathing Protocols to Reboot Your Health, Fix Your Sleep, and Boost Performance — James Nestor

James Nestor is a science journalist and the author of the international bestseller Breath: The New Science of a Lost Art, with more than three million copies sold in 44 languages. This episode is brought to you by: Helix Sleep premium mattresses: https://HelixSleep.com/Tim (27% off all mattress orders) Momentous high-quality creatine for cognitive and muscular support: https://livemomentous.com/Tim (Code TIM for up to 35% off.) AG1 all-in-one nutritional supplement: https://DrinkAG1.com/Tim (1-year supply of Vitamin D plus 5 free AG1 travel packs with your first subscription purchase.) *** Buy Breath: https://www.amazon.com/Breath-New-Science-Lost-Art/dp/0735213615/?tag=offsitoftimfe-20 Timestamps: [00:00] Coming up. [00:51] Why I waited years to interview James about Breath. [01:46] Maurice Daubard: The mysterious 90-year-old who preceded Wim Hof. [04:15] Tummo breathing: Ancient Bon Buddhist heat generation. [07:32] James’ personal breathwork practice and the Wim Hof method (with warnings). [09:24] How breathwork cured James’ chronic respiratory issues. [11:08] Sudarshan Kriya: The weekend workshop that changed everything. [13:47] My nine-minute breath hold experiment (hyperbaric chamber edition). [15:54] Post-book revelations and angry doctors’ offices. [17:37] The ADHD-breathing connection: A controversial Venn diagram. [18:56] DIY breathing assessments for kids. [22:54] Mouth tape: From hostage situations to sleep optimization. [25:54] James’ seven-year mouth taping commitment. [28:14] CO2 levels: Your LEED-certified hotel is suffocating you. [33:46] Monitoring CO2 with the Aranet4 and building a CO2 database. [36:44] James’ travel kit: Red lights, granny packs, and a Soviet-era PEMF device. [47:22] In Weirdville, eyes sing The Body Electric. [48:22] The supplements included in David’s granny packs. [49:36] Natto vs. nattokinase. [51:36] Athletes and breathing: The BOLT score explained. [58:42] LeBron James’ alternate nostril breathing and diaphragmatic dysfunction. [01:00:04] Inspiratory muscle training and the back soreness warning. [01:04:01] The Relaxator: An adult breathing pacifier for focus. [01:07:58] San Francisco Writers Grotto and the trustafarian invasion. [01:11:16] Writer’s block: A convenient excuse for hobbyists. [01:14:09] Cutting the corporate cord: James’ visceral “I quit” moment. [01:20:36] The freediving story that launched a book deal. [01:23:03] Deep‘s disappointing launch and publisher betrayal. [01:26:34] Breath: From 290,000 words to 85,000 in a house in the woods. [01:28:15] Finding the skeleton: The Stanford experiment as through-line. [01:30:42] Prayer and coherent breathing: The 5.5-second secret. [01:33:29] James’ critique of breathwork culture and barriers to entry. [01:35:55] Sleep optimization: SnoreLab, side sleeping, and incline bed therapy. [01:39:44] Parting thoughts and where to find James and free breathing protocols. Tim Ferriss is one of Fast Company’s “Most Innovative Business People” and an early-stage tech investor/advisor in Uber, Facebook, Twitter, Shopify, Duolingo, Alibaba, and 50+ other companies. He is also the author of five #1 New York Times and Wall Street Journal bestsellers: The 4-Hour Workweek, The 4-Hour Body, The 4-Hour Chef, Tools of Titans and Tribe of Mentors. The Observer and other media have named him “the Oprah of audio” due to the influence of his podcast, The Tim Ferriss Show, which has exceeded 900 million downloads and been selected for “Best of Apple Podcasts” three years running. Sign up for "5-Bullet Friday" (Tim's free weekly email newsletter): https://go.tim.blog/5-bullet-friday-yt/ Follow the Tim Ferriss Podcast: https://tim.blog/podcast/ Visit the Tim Ferriss Blog: https://tim.blog/ Follow Tim Ferriss on Twitter: https://twitter.com/tferriss/ Follow Tim Ferriss on Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/timferriss/ Like Tim Ferriss on Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/TimFerriss/

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Sep 30, 20251h 41mWatch on YouTube ↗

At a glance

WHAT IT’S REALLY ABOUT

Breathing foundations, sleep fixes, athlete performance, and indoor CO2 surprises

  1. James Nestor describes how specific breathing cadences—especially a slow, even inhale/exhale pattern often found in prayer—are associated with measurable physiological changes and a state he calls “coherence.”
  2. He contrasts intense hyperventilation-based protocols (e.g., Wim Hof-style cycles) with slower, more secretive traditions labeled “Tummo,” and shares how he personally uses the commercial version for rapid warming.
  3. Nestor says breathwork (starting with Sudarshan Kriya) coincided with the end of his chronic respiratory illnesses and reframed breathing as a major health lever beyond diet, exercise, and sleep.
  4. He highlights what he considers a neglected public-health issue: widespread sleep-disordered breathing in children and a major overlap with ADHD diagnoses, alongside simple at-home screening ideas.
  5. He extends “breathing” to environment and performance, arguing indoor CO2 in planes/hotels can be surprisingly high, and that athletes often need basic biomechanical retraining (diaphragm use, nasal breathing) before advanced techniques.

IDEAS WORTH REMEMBERING

5 ideas

Coherent breathing is a simple 5–6-second inhale / 5–6-second exhale pattern linked to whole-body “coherence.”

He cites research observing that multiple prayer traditions naturally impose ~5–6-second exhales and ~5–6-second inhales, which correlated with improved heart rate variability, lower blood pressure, and increased oxygen in the brain in the subjects studied. He emphasizes you don’t need prayer to use it—just the slow, even cadence.

Cold-and-breath practices have a long legacy that predates modern popularizers.

He describes discovering a predecessor to Wim Hof in the French Alps who used cold exposure and breathing for decades and credits early yoga breathing guidance with helping him avoid lung surgery and later develop unusual endurance feats. Nestor uses this to argue that many “new” breath trends have deeper lineage.

“Tummo” can mean very different protocols, from slow breathing to intense hyperventilation cycles.

He distinguishes a slow, traditional version aimed at reducing metabolism (which he says is hard to find instructions for) from an intense hyperventilation-and-breath-hold style associated with Wim Hof and commercial “Tummo” variants. He says the intense version can rapidly increase perceived warmth and induce sweating, but notes fuzzy definitions and branding confusion.

Breathwork was a turning point for Nestor’s long-standing respiratory problems.

He recounts having chronic respiratory issues despite having food, sleep, and exercise “dialed in,” then being urged by a doctor friend to try breathwork. He says after beginning breathwork—starting with Sudarshan Kriya—those recurring problems stopped and it shifted his view from “woo” to biological mechanism.

He argues many ADHD presentations are better understood as sleep/breathing problems in kids.

He claims a strong overlap between children with sleep-disordered breathing (snoring, apnea, nighttime dysfunction) and those diagnosed with ADHD, and argues kids are rarely assessed for breathing or sleep before being medicated. He calls this situation “criminal” and says the research base exists but is widely ignored.

WORDS WORTH SAVING

5 quotes

What you're seeing and what you're feeling is your body working at the state it's designed to work at, at the state of coherence, at the state of peak efficiency.

— James Nestor

The short version of this very long story is I did it, and I haven't had one of those issues since.

— James Nestor

They're given drugs and put on their way, and I think it's criminal.

— James Nestor

If people stop reading your stuff, you have failed.

— James Nestor

It turns out that boredom is the most wonderful muse of all.

— James Nestor

Coherent breathing (5–6 second cadence)Prayer rhythms and physiologyMaurice Daubard and cold exposure lineageTummo vs Wim Hof-style hyperventilationSudarshan Kriya experienceMouth breathing vs nasal breathingMouth tape and Myotape acclimation approach (as described)

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