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Brene Brown Interview (Full Episode) | The Tim Ferriss Show (Podcast)

Dr. Brené Brown (@BreneBrown) is a research professor at the University of Houston Graduate College of Social Work. Brené’s 2010 TEDx Houston talk, The Power of Vulnerability, has been viewed more than 20 million times and is one of the top five most viewed TED talks in the world. She has spent the past 13 years studying vulnerability, courage, worthiness, and shame. Brené is the author of two #1 New York Times bestsellers: Daring Greatly and The Gifts of Imperfection. Her brand-new book is titled Rising Strong. In it, she writes, “If we are brave enough, often enough, we will fall. This is a book about what it takes to get back up.” Enjoy! Intro [00:00] How Brené answers the question, “What do you do?” [7:38] What makes a highly popular TED talk [1:45] How Brené prepares for TED talks [13:16] Defining the terms “vulnerability” and “shame” [15:31] Deconstructing shame from an evolutionary standpoint [24:31] How to evaluate the question “Are you daring greatly today?”[39:06] Which schools of philosophy resonate most with Brown’s research? [46:31] Misinterpretations of vulnerability [49:46] How does vulnerability coexist with masculine virtues and traits? [55:31] What are some daily practices or exercises to develop vulnerability? [1:02:46] Brené’s morning rituals [1:06:16] Most gifted books [1:17:06] Why she wrote Rising Strong [1:08:46] Collecting data for Rising Strong [1:09:41] The ideal sequence for reading Brené Brown’s work [1:13:06] When Brené Brown thinks of the word successful... [1:14:31] A favorite purchase of $100 or less [1:15:51] Brené’s billboard [1:16:46] Advice for Brené’s 30-year-old self [1:17:46] Requests for the listeners [1:19:19] Connect with Brené Brown: Like Brené Brown on Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/brenebrown Follow Brené Brown on Twitter: https://twitter.com/BreneBrown Follow Brené Brown on Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/brenebrown Brené Brown on Vulnerability and Home Run TED Talks Show Notes: http://fourhourworkweek.com/2015/08/28/brene-brown-on-vulnerability-and-home-run-ted-talks/ SUBSCRIBE: http://bit.ly/1dSzTkW About Tim Ferriss: Tim Ferriss is one of Fast Company’s “Most Innovative Business People” and an early-stage tech investor/advisor in Uber, Facebook, Twitter, Shopify, Duolingo, Alibaba, and 50+ other companies. He is also the author of five #1 New York Times and Wall Street Journal bestsellers: The 4-Hour Workweek, The 4-Hour Body, The 4-Hour Chef, Tools of Titans and Tribe of Mentors. The Observer and other media have named him “the Oprah of audio” due to the influence of his podcast, The Tim Ferriss Show, which has exceeded 200 million downloads and been selected for “Best of iTunes” three years running. Connect with Tim Ferriss: Visit the Tim Ferriss PODCAST: https://bit.ly/2rYjUBr Visit the Tim Ferriss BLOG: http://bit.ly/17jDHw3 Like Tim Ferriss on FACEBOOK: http://on.fb.me/1avYUxq Follow Tim Ferriss on TWITTER: http://bit.ly/17d94TE Follow Tim Ferriss on INSTAGRAM: http://bit.ly/2IfH37J Follow Tim Ferriss on INSTAGRAM: http://bit.ly/2IfH37J

Tim FerrisshostDr. Brené Brownguest
Oct 27, 20151h 27mWatch on YouTube ↗

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WHAT IT’S REALLY ABOUT

Brené Brown on Vulnerability, Shame, Courage, and Rising Strong

  1. Brown explains that her viral TEDx talk came from an experiment in being vulnerable, and that she doesn't rehearse because it pulls her into performing instead of connecting.
  2. She defines vulnerability as uncertainty, risk and emotional exposure, and courage as choosing what's right over what's easy, with vulnerability underlying all acts of courage.
  3. Brown distinguishes shame (I am bad) from guilt (I did something bad), arguing that shame is highly correlated with addiction, violence and depression while guilt is adaptive, and that empathy is what shame can't survive.
  4. The conversation covers misreadings of vulnerability, such as oversharing, and the false split between toughness and tenderness, with Brown stressing boundaries and the idea that tough and tender can coexist.
  5. Brown describes her grounded theory research method, her morning routine, her advice to her 30-year-old self, and her ask that listeners lean into discomfort.

IDEAS WORTH REMEMBERING

5 ideas

Vulnerability is courage, not weakness.

Brown says her data showed vulnerability emerging as the best measure of courage, defined as uncertainty, risk and emotional exposure, or showing up when you have no control over the outcome.

Shame and guilt have opposite effects.

Brown says shame focuses on the self and correlates with addiction, depression, violence and suicide, while guilt focuses on behavior and is healthy and adaptive. She notes the most dangerous people in criminal populations show high shame proneness and low guilt proneness.

Shame thrives on secrecy, silence and judgment, and empathy counters it.

Brown uses a Petri dish image: shame grows exponentially when doused with secrecy, silence and judgment, but can't survive empathy.

Believing you are enough fuels healthy ambition rather than complacency.

Brown says she competes and strives from a belief in her own worth, whereas people trying to fill a hole in their self-worth are working to prove themselves to others.

Perfectionism is a shield that keeps people from being seen.

Brown calls it a 20-ton shield, outwardly defined by what people will think, in contrast to striving for excellence, which is internally motivated.

WORDS WORTH SAVING

5 quotes

Vulnerability is about the willingness to sh- show up and be seen when you have zero control over the outcome.

— Dr. Brené Brown

Vulnerability minus boundaries is not vulnerability.

— Dr. Brené Brown

Shame is I am a bad person. Guilt is I did something bad.

— Dr. Brené Brown

If I'm not a little bit nauseous when I'm done, I probably did not show up like I should've shown up.

— Dr. Brené Brown

You have to choose comfort or courage. You just can't have both.

— Dr. Brené Brown

Origins of the TEDx talk The Power of VulnerabilityDefining vulnerability and courageShame versus guiltPerfectionism versus healthy strivingBoundaries and oversharingTough and tender coexistingGrounded theory research and Rising Strong

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