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Cal (@calfussman) is a New York Times bestselling author and a writer-at-large for Esquire Magazine, where he is best known for being a primary writer of the “What I Learned” feature. The Austin Chronicle has described Cal’s interviewing skills as “peerless.” He has transformed oral history into an art form, conducting probing interviews with the icons who’ve shaped the last 50 years of world history: Mikhail Gorbachev, Jimmy Carter, Ted Kennedy, Jeff Bezos, Richard Branson, Jack Welch, Robert DeNiro, Clint Eastwood, Al Pacino, George Clooney, Leonardo DiCaprio, Tom Hanks, Bruce Springsteen, Dr. Dre, Quincy Jones, Woody Allen, Barbara Walters, Pelé, Yao Ming, Serena Williams, John Wooden, Muhammad Ali, and countless others Enjoy! Intro [00:00] Quincy Jones and his unique book signing practice [9:38] Cal Fussman’s pivotal childhood moment [10:42] Deconstructing the skill of asking great questions [12:28] Contrasting interview styles from different life stages [19:53] University of Missouri Journalism and its role on Cal’s career [26:08] What it’s like to do shots with Hunter S. Thompson [30:21] The story of Cal’s start in international travel [34:08] How one question could get Cal 6 months of housing and lodging while traveling [51:53] Common mistakes and lessons learned about the art of asking questions [55:19] On honing the ability to tell stories [1:05:18] What happened at the end of Cal’s travels, which changed his interviewing style [1:09:13] On speaking at Summit at Sea [1:17:33] Decoding the art of the interview [1:31:08] The story of boxing Julio Cesar Chavez [1:41:22] The first person Cal thinks of when he hears the word "successful" [2:20:18] What George Foreman did to change Cal [2:29:54] Most gifted books [2:34:01] Favorite documentaries and movies [2:41:56] If you could have a billboard anywhere, what would you put on it and why? [2:48:27] Advice to Cal’s 30-year-old-self [2:49:08] The story of the time Cal had writer’s block, and what Harry Crews said that saved him [2:55:30] Connect with Cal Fussman: Like Cal Fussman on Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/calfussman Follow Cal Fussman on Twitter: https://twitter.com/calfussman Follow Cal Fussman on Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/calfussman The Interview Master: Cal Fussman and the Power of Listening Show Notes: http://fourhourworkweek.com/2016/03/11/the-interview-master-cal-fussman-and-the-power-of-listening/ SUBSCRIBE: http://bit.ly/1dSzTkW About Tim Ferriss: Tim Ferriss is one of Fast Company’s “Most Innovative Business People” and an early-stage tech investor/advisor in Uber, Facebook, Twitter, Shopify, Duolingo, Alibaba, and 50+ other companies. He is also the author of five #1 New York Times and Wall Street Journal bestsellers: The 4-Hour Workweek, The 4-Hour Body, The 4-Hour Chef, Tools of Titans and Tribe of Mentors. The Observer and other media have named him “the Oprah of audio” due to the influence of his podcast, The Tim Ferriss Show, which has exceeded 200 million downloads and been selected for “Best of iTunes” three years running. Connect with Tim Ferriss: Visit the Tim Ferriss PODCAST: https://bit.ly/2rYjUBr Visit the Tim Ferriss BLOG: http://bit.ly/17jDHw3 Like Tim Ferriss on FACEBOOK: http://on.fb.me/1avYUxq Follow Tim Ferriss on TWITTER: http://bit.ly/17d94TE Follow Tim Ferriss on INSTAGRAM: http://bit.ly/2IfH37J Follow Tim Ferriss on INSTAGRAM: http://bit.ly/2IfH37J

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Apr 11, 20163h 22mWatch on YouTube ↗

At a glance

WHAT IT’S REALLY ABOUT

Cal Fussman on heart-first questions, travel lessons, and resilience stories

  1. Cal Fussman explains how his interviewing evolved from traditional journalism into a curiosity-driven, trust-building approach shaped by 10 years of traveling with little money.
  2. He illustrates the power of a first question that targets emotion rather than intellect through a story where a planned 10-minute interview with Mikhail Gorbachev turned into a much longer conversation.
  3. He describes how questions that make people feel seen—like asking about a family goulash recipe—can create generosity, access, and unexpected opportunities.
  4. He recounts confronting a long-held personal embarrassment from a teenage boxing loss by training for months to spar Julio Cesar Chavez, redefining success as facing himself.
  5. He discusses a rare period of writer’s block after 9/11 disrupted his wine story tied to Windows of the World, and how he eventually wrote it by relying on what he could still vividly remember.

IDEAS WORTH REMEMBERING

5 ideas

Start interviews by aiming for the heart, not the head.

He describes a 10-minute slot with Mikhail Gorbachev that unexpectedly expanded because the first question shifted from policy to personal memory, creating a deeper connection that made Gorbachev want to continue talking.

Curiosity plus trust-building questions can change what access you get from strangers.

During a decade of low-budget travel, he learned to choose seats next to people likely to talk, then ask sincere, culturally grounded questions (like asking a grandmother about goulash) that made others feel valued and prompted invitations, introductions, and extended stays.

Avoid questions people have pre-prepared; you’ll only get performative answers.

He says most people will give rehearsed answers to standard prompts (like common job-interview questions), so better questions should elicit spontaneous, revealing responses rather than polished scripts.

Story-backed questions can be repurposed to evaluate passion and fit in hiring.

At Summit at Sea, attendees asked for hiring questions, and he offered one based on his interview with Dr. Dre: asking about the longest someone has worked on a passion project without sleep to learn about intensity and work style.

Some ‘wins’ are about self-respect and closure, not the scoreboard.

He recounts being knocked down quickly in the Golden Gloves at 16, then decades later training intensely to spar Julio Cesar Chavez in Mexico to resolve lingering shame; he frames the win as confronting himself rather than “beating” a champion.

WORDS WORTH SAVING

5 quotes

He'll be there till 3:00 in the morning, keeping the people at Barnes & Noble open because he wants to make it a joyous experience for everybody.

— Cal Fussman

I woke up every morning not knowing what was gonna happen.

— Cal Fussman

A single question about goulash could get me six weeks of lodging and meals.

— Cal Fussman

The power of the first question going straight to the heart and not the head.

— Cal Fussman

The hardest thing you can do in life is to change your character.

— Cal Fussman

Heart-first opening questionsTravel as interview trainingBuilding trust with strangersHiring and interview question designSummit at Sea speaking experienceBoxing lessons and personal redemptionWriter’s block after 9/11 and the wine story

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