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Hugh Jackman — His Best Decisions, Favorite Books, Daily Routines, The 85% Rule, & More

I’ve wanted to have Hugh on the show for nearly a decade, and—even with my sky-high hopes—he absolutely over-delivered. In our conversation, we dig into lessons learned, routines, favorite books, exercises, intuition, meditation, and much, much more. Hugh was very gracious with his time, and this is one of the longest interviews he has ever done. Trust me—Hugh delivers the goods, and we had a blast. Enjoy! SUBSCRIBE: http://bit.ly/1dSzTkW About Tim Ferriss: Tim Ferriss is one of Fast Company’s “Most Innovative Business People” and an early-stage tech investor/advisor in Uber, Facebook, Twitter, Shopify, Duolingo, Alibaba, and 50+ other companies. He is also the author of five #1 New York Times and Wall Street Journal bestsellers: The 4-Hour Workweek, The 4-Hour Body, The 4-Hour Chef, Tools of Titans and Tribe of Mentors. The Observer and other media have named him “the Oprah of audio” due to the influence of his podcast, The Tim Ferriss Show, which has exceeded 400 million downloads and been selected for “Best of iTunes” three years running. Connect with Tim Ferriss: Sign up for "5-Bullet Friday" (Tim's email newsletter): https://go.tim.blog/5-bullet-friday-1/ Visit the Tim Ferriss PODCAST: https://tim.blog/podcast/ Visit the Tim Ferriss BLOG: https://tim.blog/ Follow Tim Ferriss on TWITTER: https://twitter.com/tferriss/ Follow Tim Ferriss on INSTAGRAM: https://www.instagram.com/timferriss/ Like Tim Ferriss on FACEBOOK: https://www.facebook.com/TimFerriss/ Start [00:00] Hugh and his wife and reading books to each other [07:25] Most gifted books[11:44] Hugh’s regular meditation practice [15:22] On the emotional and physical energy necessary for performing [19:42] Why Hugh was nervous about coming on this podcast [27:34] Lessons from his father [29:41] To what does Hugh owe his eloquent communication skills? [39:16] Hugh’s relationship with journalists [44:13] The contract Hugh made with himself at the end of drama school [46:28] A life-changing audition for Sir Trevor Nunn [57:02] On trusting his intuition [58:52] Hugh Jackman or Perfect Tommy? [1:10:57] A daily morning practice—the design of the day [1:12:16] On discipline [1:18:33] Hugh loves puzzles [1:27:46] Parting thoughts [1:33:51]

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Jul 2, 20201h 41mWatch on YouTube ↗

At a glance

WHAT IT’S REALLY ABOUT

Hugh Jackman on rituals, intuition, ethics, energy, and daily design

  1. Hugh Jackman describes a structured morning routine—cold shower, reading aloud with his wife, and meditation—as a way to protect relationship time and set a clear internal tone for the day.
  2. He explains his long-term transcendental meditation practice using the “monkey mind” metaphor, emphasizing clarity, calmer energy, and improved intention and listening rather than constant high intensity.
  3. He reflects on formative lessons from his parents around ethics, education, appreciation, and making your own decisions, and how those values show up in daily behavior.
  4. He recounts key career turning points shaped by saying “yes,” learning on the job (like weekly singing lessons), and increasingly trusting gut instincts over strategic overthinking.
  5. He outlines practical performance and energy-management rules for stage work, plus specific fitness preferences like rowing and the “85% rule” (relaxation and form outperform max effort).

IDEAS WORTH REMEMBERING

5 ideas

Front-load reading to protect it from a busy day.

He said he adopted it from Patrick Stewart: wake 30 minutes earlier than usual, avoid news/emails/scripts first thing, and read a “vacation book” before the day takes over.

Shared morning rituals can create reliable couple-time and deeper connection.

He described reading the same book out loud, splitting it half-and-half, and using the natural pauses to talk through worries or ideas that surface—then meditating together afterward.

Meditation is a practical method for clarity and less reactivity.

He outlined TM as using a mantra to occupy the “monkey mind” until thoughts settle, comparing the effect to cloudy water becoming clear, and said he emerges with “finer energy,” clearer intention, and better listening.

Sustainability can improve when you remove rigid ‘should’ pressure from habits.

He said he used to do two meditations daily but later dropped the “duty” mindset; now it’s always mornings, plus a second session when working, typically around lunch because sitting later can trigger restless legs.

Character and empathy were taught as lived behavior, not slogans.

He credited his father with emphasizing ethics (keep your word even if it doesn’t benefit you) and with pushing him to make his own life decisions; he also shared his mother’s belief that everyone needs to feel appreciated.

WORDS WORTH SAVING

5 quotes

We come back up. I, I have a cold shower first, another thing I learned from you, uh, from your 4-Hour Body book when I was getting ready for Wolverine, the old cold bath. So I have a cold shower every morning, and then we go back and we read. And we read for at least 30 minutes, and then we meditate together, and that way we-- it's become our, like, favorite time of the day as a couple.

— Hugh Jackman

The best way I can describe it is the effect that it has on me, I mean, sometimes I fall asleep, by the way, which is totally fine, uh, and clearly what my body needed, but when you first pour a glass of water, it's cloudy, and then in a period of time, that all settles, and you see crystal clear, uh, through the glass, through the water. That's what meditation does for me.

— Hugh Jackman

You keep your word, n- even if it does not benefit you, you always keep your word.

— Hugh Jackman

You cannot be a victim. You cannot wait for the phone to ring. You have to go out and generate and get your brand out there and get going.

— Hugh Jackman

From that moment on, I have always followed my gut on stuff, even if it doesn't make sense.

— Hugh Jackman

Morning routine (reading aloud, cold shower, meditation)Transcendental meditation and the “monkey mind”Books gifted and influential readingEthics, appreciation, and family lessons from parentsCareer turning points: saying yes vs strategic planningStage-performance energy management and pre-show ritualsFitness: rowing, pushups, and the “85% rule” relaxation principle

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