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The Real Japan — Craig Mod

Craig Mod is a writer, photographer, and walker living in Tokyo and Kamakura, Japan. He is the author of Things Become Other Things and Kissa by Kissa. He also writes the newsletters Roden and Ridgeline and has contributed to The New York Times, The Atlantic, Wired, and more. Sponsors: David Protein Bars 28g of protein, 150 calories, and 0g of sugar: https://davidprotein.com/tim (Buy 4 cartons, get the 5th free.) AG1 all-in-one nutritional supplement: https://DrinkAG1.com/Tim (1-year supply of Vitamin D (and 5 free AG1 travel packs) with your first subscription purchase.) Eight Sleep’s Pod 4 Ultra sleeping solution for dynamic cooling and heating: https://eightsleep.com/tim (save $350 on the Pod 4 Ultra) More Craig Mod: https://craigmod.com/ Things Become Other Things: https://www.amazon.com/Things-Become-Other-Walking-Memoir/dp/0593732545/?tag=offsitoftimfe-20 Tim Ferriss is one of Fast Company’s “Most Innovative Business People” and an early-stage tech investor/advisor in Uber, Facebook, Twitter, Shopify, Duolingo, Alibaba, and 50+ other companies. He is also the author of five #1 New York Times and Wall Street Journal bestsellers: The 4-Hour Workweek, The 4-Hour Body, The 4-Hour Chef, Tools of Titans and Tribe of Mentors. The Observer and other media have named him “the Oprah of audio” due to the influence of his podcast, The Tim Ferriss Show, which has exceeded 900 million downloads and been selected for “Best of Apple Podcasts” three years running. Sign up for "5-Bullet Friday" (Tim's free weekly email newsletter): https://go.tim.blog/5-bullet-friday-yt/ Follow the Tim Ferriss Podcast: https://tim.blog/podcast/ Visit the Tim Ferriss Blog: https://tim.blog/ Follow Tim Ferriss on Twitter: https://twitter.com/tferriss/ Follow Tim Ferriss on Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/timferriss/ Like Tim Ferriss on Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/TimFerriss/ [00:00] Start. [00:28] Good morning, Good evening [01:15] What would make this a worthwhile conversation? [03:24] How Craig and I first met. [05:08] Growing up in a post-industrial Connecticut town. [07:13] The kindness of a tech-savvy stranger. [08:04] IRC, ANSI art scene, and making connections in the Internet's early days. [09:54] From adoption to exploring hometown escape options. [12:17] Driving cross-country to a Silicon Valley internship. [13:59] Pursuing the desire to live abroad. [16:06] Attending Waseda University in Japan at age 19. [17:24] Seduced by the Ivy League: A momentary return to the States for a UPenn education. [18:41] Craig's advice for adults who want to pick up the Japanese language. [23:01] Bizarre homestay experiences. [33:31] How Craig wound up back in Japan to work in publishing. [35:25] Developing design sensibilities at UPenn with Sharka Hyland and Joshua Mosley. [39:59] Craig's color blindness and its influence on his design aesthetic. [42:04] Without a time machine, Craig lives vicariously through his daughter's opportunities. [43:52] Struggling with spirits of sauce and the supernatural. [48:08] A Tibetan dream reader and lost love. [51:59] Craig's journey to self-worth: Running, charging more for work, and building confidence. [53:53] The transformative experience of climbing to Annapurna Base Camp in Nepal. [56:33] Writing a camera review that went viral and paid rent for two years. [1:02:02] The article that changed Craig's life. [1:07:53] The enduring power of physical books in the digital age. [1:12:06] How being adopted prepared Craig for life as an outsider no matter where he hangs his hat. [1:16:19] Craig's time at Flipboard. [1:20:08] Writing in hotel rooms on weekends. [1:20:53] Meeting Kevin Kelly and landing a MacDowell writing residency. [1:22:52] Bridges burned and discoveries made at MacDowell. [1:30:46] Justifying a round two. [1:31:42] Craig's advice for aspiring creatives. [1:35:30] Books Craig has reread multiple times. [1:39:44] The story behind Craig's new book, Things Become Other Things [1:51:28] Craig's Special Projects membership program. [1:53:34] In praise of unexpected corners. [1:55:52] Lessons learned from the Sally Mann documentary. [1:57:04] Parting thoughts and a preview of round two (coming later this week).

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At a glance

WHAT IT’S REALLY ABOUT

Craig Mod on outsiderhood, walking, writing, and enduring physical books

  1. Craig Mod traces his trajectory from a post-industrial Connecticut upbringing and early internet subcultures to studying in Japan, attending UPenn, and returning to Japan to work in publishing and design.
  2. Craig describes learning Japanese through immersion—homestay, joining a Japanese-only music circle, and spending time with peers above his level—while also recounting unusually stressful homestay experiences.
  3. He details major personal turning points, including struggles with alcohol, a formative relationship loss, and how running, raising rates, and creating disciplined routines helped rebuild self-worth and creative capacity.
  4. Craig explains how long-form writing paired with thoughtful design led to breakout moments (a viral camera review and an iPad-era publishing essay covered by The New York Times), which expanded his opportunities and visibility.
  5. He presents his current focus as writing and making physical books, culminating in “Things Become Other Things,” a COVID-era Kii Peninsula walking narrative interwoven with memories of a childhood friend’s death and reflections on community and support systems.

IDEAS WORTH REMEMBERING

5 ideas

Early access and small breaks compounded into Craig’s entire path.

Craig Mod describes a childhood shaped by limited resources and “sliding doors” opportunities, including a neighbor who gave him access to a computer and even a phone line, which he credits as life-changing. He frames his later trajectory as compounding chance opportunities into skills, connections, and eventually a creative career.

Adoption and outsiderhood shaped both Craig’s identity and his relationship to Japan.

Craig says being adopted left him with a lasting sense of not belonging, and he connects that to why living in Japan—where he’ll always be an outsider—can feel paradoxically safer. He also contrasts Japan’s social support and everyday affordability with what he saw growing up in the U.S.

Craig’s self-worth shifted through small identity commitments—running, pricing, and persistence.

Craig recounts a period of heavy drinking in his 20s, tying it to low self-worth and scarcity mindset, and describes a turning point after losing a relationship: running at 3 a.m., training for a marathon, and gradually reducing alcohol over several years. He also links confidence-building to charging more for his work and adopting an identity-based approach to habits.

Transformative experiences became career inflection points when Craig gave them strong written form.

After climbing to Annapurna Base Camp, Craig turned the experience into a highly crafted, design-forward camera review that “went bananas,” earning significant affiliate revenue and reinforcing his belief that deep effort and strong containers (presentation/design) can make work resonate. He later wrote “The Books and the Age of the iPad,” which he says was picked up by The New York Times and changed his life.

Craig’s north star is physical books—and designing them as irreplaceable artifacts.

Craig emphasizes physical books as enduring objects and says his core creative focus has always been making and writing books, with digital explorations mostly serving that goal. He argues that digital books didn’t evolve as imagined and reiterates a thesis: make physical books that lean into what physical form does best.

WORDS WORTH SAVING

5 quotes

If you have someone in your life that you really wanna thank, go thank them while they're, they're around.

— Craig Mod

I was just in shock. I was like, "Oh, these people are from a different planet."

— Craig Mod

I wanted to die. It was rock, rock, rock bottom.

— Craig Mod

I felt like there was no way for me to experience magic again.

— Craig Mod

There's a huge safety of being in a place that can never throw you away because you're never gonna be part of the thing.

— Craig Mod

Growing up in post-industrial ConnecticutEarly internet culture (IRC, ANSI art, Mosaic)Adoption and identity as outsiderLearning Japanese through immersion and musicHomestay experiences and culture shockAlcohol struggles, running, and rebuilding self-worthDesign education and influential teachers at UPenn (and color blindness)

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