Pat Grady & Alfred Lin on the Tactics of Great Venture Investing | Ep. 36

Pat Grady & Alfred Lin on the Tactics of Great Venture Investing | Ep. 36

Pat Grady (guest), Alfred Lin (guest)

Stewardship vs CEO-style leadership in ventureOutliers and volatility as a feature, not a bugInput-based measurement: values and capabilitiesSourcing: coverage vs “false coverage”Picking: conviction, ownership, and asymmetryTalent mapping and engineering-quality signalsWinning and board onboarding built on trust

In this episode of Uncapped with Jack Altman, featuring Pat Grady and Alfred Lin, Pat Grady & Alfred Lin on the Tactics of Great Venture Investing | Ep. 36 explores sequoia’s new stewards on conviction, craft, and outlier investing tactics Grady and Lin frame Sequoia’s leadership transition as “stewardship,” emphasizing enabling a team of “outliers” rather than running a hierarchical, CEO-style organization.

Sequoia’s new stewards on conviction, craft, and outlier investing tactics

Grady and Lin frame Sequoia’s leadership transition as “stewardship,” emphasizing enabling a team of “outliers” rather than running a hierarchical, CEO-style organization.

They argue venture is an “outlier business,” so consistency is less important than creating room for volatility, strong individual judgment, and high-conviction bets with sufficient ownership.

The discussion breaks down the venture value chain—sourcing, picking, winning, building, harvesting—and how Sequoia measures inputs (values, capabilities, coverage quality, decision hygiene) given that outputs can be a decade delayed and markups can be mirages.

They share tactical methods: coverage targets without incentivized gaming, debrief rituals, CRM/data advantages (including a long-running talent “PageRank” map), and coaching investors toward courage by normalizing failure and managing psychological biases.

Key Takeaways

Venture leadership is about enabling outliers, not directing them.

They contrast operating-company CEOs (optimize consistency) with venture (optimize outliers). ...

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Consensus doesn’t predict returns; conviction does.

Sequoia’s internal voting data shows consensus vs non-consensus is not a factor. ...

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Measure investors on inputs because outputs arrive too late (and can be misleading).

Markups can be mirages and outcomes take ~10 years, so they focus on behaviors and capability development (quality of memos, diligence, networks, time allocation) and later inspect the chain if results lag.

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Avoid individual activity metrics to prevent gaming; focus on time-investment judgment.

Grady describes how granular funnel quotas can create padding behavior (calling founders you’ll never invest in). ...

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Sourcing quality beats raw ‘seeing everything’ coverage—watch for “false coverage.”

Demo days and broad meetings can create superficial exposure. ...

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Mid-funnel decisions drive the biggest misses; improve ‘decision hygiene.’

They claim Monday partner-meeting decisions are usually solid; the bigger error is what never reaches Monday. ...

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Coaching for asymmetry is largely coaching for courage and bias control.

Many investors are high-achieving “A students” optimized to avoid mistakes; Sequoia normalizes ~50% write-off rates even in great funds. ...

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Notable Quotes

Our internal data shows that consensus versus non-consensus does not matter at all. Presence of conviction is what matters.

Pat Grady

If everybody’s a six, probably shouldn’t make the investment… If three people are nines and three people are one, we should probably make the investment.

Pat Grady

We’re in the outlier business.

Pat Grady

The two fears—fear of missing out and fear of looking stupid—are the two fears that prevent people from making the right decisions.

Alfred Lin

The stability at the partnership level is what allows for volatility at the partner level.

Pat Grady

Questions Answered in This Episode

On your 0–10 voting system, what specific evidence tends to turn a ‘6’ into a ‘9’ for you in practice?

Grady and Lin frame Sequoia’s leadership transition as “stewardship,” emphasizing enabling a team of “outliers” rather than running a hierarchical, CEO-style organization.

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How do you distinguish healthy non-consensus conviction from a partner simply being overconfident or contrarian?

They argue venture is an “outlier business,” so consistency is less important than creating room for volatility, strong individual judgment, and high-conviction bets with sufficient ownership.

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Can you share 5–10 examples from your ‘catalog of 40 psychological traps’ besides “separation of church and state,” and how you operationalize them before decisions?

The discussion breaks down the venture value chain—sourcing, picking, winning, building, harvesting—and how Sequoia measures inputs (values, capabilities, coverage quality, decision hygiene) given that outputs can be a decade delayed and markups can be mirages.

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How exactly do you define and measure “false coverage” in the CRM—what are the observable signals that someone only superficially covered a company?

They share tactical methods: coverage targets without incentivized gaming, debrief rituals, CRM/data advantages (including a long-running talent “PageRank” map), and coaching investors toward courage by normalizing failure and managing psychological biases.

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You mentioned growth coverage targets (e.g., ~70% relative to a competitor set). How do you choose that competitor set, and how often do you update it as markets shift?

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Transcript Preview

Pat Grady

We've been recording the number that everybody votes on every investment for more than a decade now. Um, our internal data shows that consensus versus non-consensus does not matter at all.

Speaker

It's just not a factor.

Pat Grady

Presence of conviction is what matters.

Speaker

Huh.

Pat Grady

And so if everybody is a six, we vote zero to 10, no fives, so six and above is positive, four and below is negative. If everybody's a six, probably shouldn't make the investment. It's consensus, but nobody has conviction. If-

Speaker

Strong yes, strong no is much better.

Pat Grady

If three peoples are, are nines and three people are one, we should probably make the investment. [upbeat music]

Speaker

All right, guys, thank you very much for doing this. This is my first attempt at a three-person podcast. So-

Pat Grady

And this, this is our-

Alfred Lin

This is our first- [chuckles]

Pat Grady

... showing together, so.

Speaker

Yeah. So I apologize if this is a disaster. [chuckles] Um, so-

Alfred Lin

It's not gonna be a disaster. Um, we're gonna ask you questions, too. [chuckles]

Speaker

That's what I want, and then we can edit everything out. This could be a five-minute pod with whatever's good. [chuckles]

Pat Grady

Love it.

Speaker

And that'll be fine. Um-

Pat Grady

Five minutes might be generous.

Speaker

No, that's all right. We'll take what we can get.

Alfred Lin

[chuckles]

Speaker

I guess to start, like, how are you guys... How are you feeling, and, like, where's your mindset? Are you like- do you feel the way you expected to when you first knew this was happening? Like, you're a couple weeks settled in, like, what's, what's going on psychologically?

Alfred Lin

I mean, we just came out of a, a meeting where we both said we're more excited than ever before. Um, and so we're, we're excited. And, uh, it's- part of it is because we're- we get to help lead, co-lead S- Sequoia into the next generation with a great team, and the team that we have is probably one of the best that we've ever had in the history of Sequoia.

Speaker

Does it feel, like, heavy or light? Like, does it feel more like you just got to pick up the most fun video game, or are you like: "Whoa, I have the weight of something very serious on my shoulders?"

Pat Grady

I think it's a little bit of both. Y- you know, I think for both Alfred and I, the idea of being steward someday was sort of a dream, but not an objective. I mean, it wasn't something that we-

Alfred Lin

[chuckles]

Pat Grady

... sought necessarily, but it's, it's an honor to get to continue the-

Speaker

Yeah, of course

Pat Grady

... legacy that Roelof and Doug and Jim, and everybody else, sort of started for us. Um, so I think it's heavy in the sense that we feel a responsibility to make Sequoia great. I think it's also light in a sense that one of the kinda main things that we wanna try to do for Sequoia is to kinda get it back to what it's been for most of our 53-year-old history, where Alfred and I are doing minimal amounts of administrative work, and mostly in the field making investments alongside a team of people like Andrew Reid and Luciana Alexandru and, you know, David Khan and Constantin Buhler, who are amazing at what they do, and our job is really just to enable them, as opposed to, to really manage people.

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