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Resisting Influence in an Over-Influenced World | The Curiosity Shop

Why are we so susceptible to persuasion? In this episode of The Curiosity Shop, Brené Brown and Adam Grant discuss a tip Brené picked up from Seventeen magazine in the ‘80s and end up exploring why we fall for misinformation and persuasive messaging. They examine how vulnerability makes us more receptive to fear-based messaging, how appeals to authority can sometimes stand in for real evidence, and why recognizing misinformation isn’t always enough to protect us from it. Brené and Adam also consider the role of belonging, including the ways our desire for connection, community, and shared identity can make certain ideas especially persuasive. Along the way, they develop a practical framework for resisting unwanted influence: recognize your vulnerability, build your persuasion literacy, and trace information back to its source. #adamgrant #brenebrown #thecuriosityshop #persuasion Don't miss a video! Subscribe NOW: https://www.youtube.com/@TheCuriosityShop About The Curiosity Shop: Research professor Brené Brown and organizational psychologist Adam Grant are partnering on a new weekly podcast grounded in an unflinching commitment to learning and unlearning. At a time when public discourse rewards certainty over inquiry, The Curiosity Shop features two of the world's most sought-after experts on connection, change, and leadership making the case for slowing down, asking better questions, and embracing informed complexity over easy answers. Bringing together their left and right brain sensibilities — she’s a qualitative researcher; he’s a quantitative researcher — they explore some of the defining questions of our time, unpack the research reshaping how we live, lead, and love, and dive deep into the ideas, evidence, and cultural moments intriguing them the most. New episodes drop every Thursday. Part of the Vox Media Podcast Network. Connect with The Curiosity Shop: Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/thecuriosityshop/ Apple: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/id1730985049 Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/3oEPsPKDhPVoNNL7pH5db6?si=e2483abb4eed4b03 Connect with Brené Brown: Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/brenebrown/ LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/brenebrown/ Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/brenebrown/ Connect with Adam Grant: Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/adamgrant/ LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/adammgrant/ X: https://x.com/adammgrant/ ============================= Chapters: 00:00 Welcome to The Curiosity Shop 01:23 Cold Water Hair Rinses and 17 Magazine 02:50 "Made to Stick" and the SUCCESS Principles 06:10 Robert Cialdini and "Dispelling the Illusion of Invulnerability" 10:13 Why Vulnerable Moments Make Us Easy Targets 15:07 Deconstructing a "Toxic Products for Newborns" Video 19:27 Expert Opinion vs. Real Evidence 22:50 The Sleeper Effect: Forgetting the Source 23:47 "May the Source Be With You" 25:10 Step 1: Own Your Vulnerability 27:29 Step 2: Build Persuasion Literacy 29:04 Step 3: Chase the Message Back to the Source 31:46 AI Doomsday Fears and Vested Interests 37:16 Conspiracy Theories and Science Denial 39:30 The Need to Belong and "Common Enemy Intimacy" 46:01 Teaching Persuasion Literacy in Schools 47:37 Book Recommendations: "Foolproof" and "Lump" Show Notes: http://thecuriosityshop.com/podcast/resisting-influence-in-an-over-influenced-world Resisting Influence in an Over-Influenced World | The Curiosity Shop https://www.youtube.com/@TheCuriosityShop

Brené BrownhostAdam Granthost
Oct 1, 202651mWatch on YouTube ↗

At a glance

WHAT IT’S REALLY ABOUT

How to resist persuasion by owning vulnerability and verifying sources

  1. Brené Brown and Adam Grant explore why sticky ideas—from harmless beauty tips to dangerous health and political claims—can lodge in memory and shape behavior for years.
  2. They argue that susceptibility to influence increases when people are emotionally vulnerable, and that acknowledging vulnerability is a prerequisite for effective self-defense against manipulation.
  3. Using a viral-style “toxic products for newborns” example, they show how fear-based hooks and appeals to authority can bypass evidence and trigger protective, reactive decision-making.
  4. They distinguish expert opinion from rigorous evidence, warning that confident endorsements often replace data in marketing, wellness content, and public discourse.
  5. They highlight the sleeper effect—forgetting the source while remembering the message—and propose “chase it back to the source” plus persuasion literacy as key antidotes, ideally taught in schools.

IDEAS WORTH REMEMBERING

5 ideas

Resistance to persuasion requires both humility and skill.

They discuss research (including Cialdini/Sagarin) showing that people resist misinformation best when they both (a) accept they can be influenced and (b) have practical skills to analyze persuasive tactics; either one alone isn’t sufficient.

Vulnerability + fear-based messaging is a potent manipulation cocktail.

Fear (about appearance, health, parenting, dementia caregiving) narrows attention and pushes people toward quick solutions—making them prime targets for “easy fix” tips, wellness grifts, and political manipulation.

Learn to spot the standard template: vulnerable audience, fear hook, authority claim, missing evidence.

They break down a “toxic products for newborns” clip: it targets a vulnerable group, uses a fear hook (“toxic”), and substitutes credentials (“naturopathic doctor”) for evidence—leaving little bandwidth for critical evaluation.

A confident recommendation is not evidence—ask for the studies, not the spokesperson.

Adam distinguishes expert opinion from stronger forms of evidence (e.g., randomized controlled trials, meta-analyses), noting that confident recommendations and “X out of 10 doctors” claims are not the same as reliable findings.

If you don’t “save the source,” the message may outlive your skepticism.

They explain the sleeper effect: even when people distrust a source initially, over time they may forget the source but remember the message—allowing misinformation to influence later judgments.

WORDS WORTH SAVING

5 quotes

They, what they found was in order to reduce our susceptibility to misinformation, you need to both believe that you are vulnerable to it, and then you have to have skills to deconstruct it. Neither of those alone is enough.

— Brené Brown

I didn't want this to be used as a weapon. I actually started studying this for self-defense.

— Adam Grant

A confident recommendation is not the same thing as real evidence.

— Brené Brown

I don't care what seven out of 10 doctors recommend. I wanna know what seven of the 10 studies showed.

— Adam Grant

We are common- enemy intimacy is what I call it in my work.

— Brené Brown

Ideas that stick (SUCCESs principles)Vulnerability and fear-based persuasionCialdini/Sagarin: illusion of invulnerabilityPersuasion/advertising literacyAppeal to authority vs. evidence hierarchySleeper effect and source memoryBelonging, conspiracy thinking, and “common enemy intimacy”

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