Sarah Paine - Why Putin and Xi can't escape geography

In this lecture, military historian Sarah Paine lays out the geopolitical framework that has shaped global power for two thousand years: the divide between continental empires that pursue security through territorial conquest (China, Russia) and maritime powers that pursue prosperity through trade (Britain, the US). Recorded first in Paine's 2025 series, this is the framework that all her other lectures build on. 𝐓𝐈𝐌𝐄𝐒𝐓𝐀𝐌𝐏𝐒 00:00:00 - Setting the stage 00:12:10 - The continental powers 00:29:12 - The maritime alternative 00:42:00 - How the Industrial Revolution changed everything 00:52:00 - Why Putin wants to break the world

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Jun 9, 20261h 2mWatch on YouTube ↗

EPISODE INFO

Released: June 9, 2026
Duration: 1h 2m
Channel: Dwarkesh Podcast
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EPISODE DESCRIPTION

In this lecture, military historian Sarah Paine lays out the geopolitical framework that has shaped global power for two thousand years: the divide between continental empires that pursue security through territorial conquest (China, Russia) and maritime powers that pursue prosperity through trade (Britain, the US). Recorded first in Paine's 2025 series, this is the framework that all her other lectures build on. 𝐓𝐈𝐌𝐄𝐒𝐓𝐀𝐌𝐏𝐒 00:00:00 - Setting the stage 00:12:10 - The continental powers 00:29:12 - The maritime alternative 00:42:00 - How the Industrial Revolution changed everything 00:52:00 - Why Putin wants to break the world

SPEAKERS

Sarah Paine
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Naval historian and professor known for geopolitical analysis of Russia and China (U.S. Naval War College).

EPISODE SUMMARY

In this episode of Dwarkesh Podcast, featuring Sarah Paine, Sarah Paine - Why Putin and Xi can't escape geography explores geography shapes empires: why land powers and sea powers clash Sarah Paine contrasts continental and maritime powers, arguing geography pushes them toward fundamentally different security needs, economic models, and preferred world orders.

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