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208 - Tragedy, grief, healing, and finding happiness | Kelsey Chittick

View show notes for this episode here: https://bit.ly/38BJN1y Become a member to receive exclusive content: https://bit.ly/3LBZcMs Sign up to receive Peter's email newsletter: https://bit.ly/3GfF4if Kelsey Chittick is the author of Second Half: Surviving Loss and Finding Magic in the Missing. In this episode, Kelsey describes her long healing process following the sudden death of her husband, former NFL player Nate Hobgood-Chittick. She describes her life with Nate before and after football, including her premonitions that something was off about Nate and the subsequent finding that he suffered from chronic traumatic encephalopathy (CTE). She speaks openly about how she handled his death with her children, the trauma and grief they faced in the aftermath, and how she’s found ways to be happy in her new life. She shares deep insights into her healing process, including her experience with psychedelics and how the concept of “radical acceptance” has helped her to find joy once again. We discuss: 0:00:00 - Intro 0:00:08 - Kelsey’s childhood in Florida as an athlete 0:06:18 - Meeting Nate and early relationship with him 0:11:39 - Nate’s unbelievable work ethic and desire to play in the NFL 0:16:45 - Life with a professional football player, playing through pain, and head injuries related to football 0:24:00 - Nate’s final days of football and early retirement struggles 0:30:00 - The tough transition from the NFL to a “regular life” and how Nate found a way to serve others 0:37:24 - Nate’s struggle with his weight and overall health after retirement 0:40:19 - Kelsey’s anxiety and premonitions of Nate’s impending death, and Nate’s changing demeanor 0:50:09 - The traumatic experience of learning of Nate’s death during her own spiritual journey to Jamaica 0:56:37 - Breaking the news to her children of their father’s death 1:01:35 - The darkest days following Nate’s passing and how her children were handling grief 1:10:38 - A new relationship with death, finding happiness, and the duality of feelings 1:15:34 - Nate’s autopsy results showing evidence of CTE 1:25:15 - The grieving process 1:30:02 - Dealing with grief with kids and how children grieve differently 1:34:40 - Healing through her first psychedelic experience 1:47:36 - The therapeutic potential of psychedelics, meditation, and more 1:58:24 - The concept of “radical acceptance” and the peace that comes with it 2:04:53 - The up-and-down experience of writing her book -------- About: The Peter Attia Drive is a weekly, ultra-deep-dive podcast focusing on maximizing health, longevity, critical thinking…and a few other things. With over 40 million episodes downloaded, it features topics including fasting, ketosis, Alzheimer’s disease, cancer, mental health, and much more. Peter is a physician focusing on the applied science of longevity. His practice deals extensively with nutritional interventions, exercise physiology, sleep physiology, emotional and mental health, and pharmacology to increase lifespan (delay the onset of chronic disease), while simultaneously improving healthspan (quality of life). Learn more: https://bit.ly/3Nq1gZm Connect with Peter on: Facebook: http://bit.ly/PeterAttiaMDFB Twitter: http://bit.ly/PeterAttiaMDTW Instagram: http://bit.ly/PeterAttiaMDIG Subscribe to The Drive: Apple Podcast: http://bit.ly/TheDriveApplePodcasts Overcast: http://bit.ly/TheDriveOvercast Spotify: http://bit.ly/TheDriveSpotify Google Podcasts: http://bit.ly/TheDriveGoogle

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May 23, 20222h 11mWatch on YouTube ↗

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WHAT IT’S REALLY ABOUT

Kelsey Chittick on losing Nate, CTE, grief, psychedelics, radical acceptance

  1. Kelsey describes her life with former NFL defensive tackle Nate, from meeting at UNC through his long-shot career, his hard transition out of football, and his struggles with weight and health.
  2. She recounts her unexplained anxiety and premonitions before Nate died of a heart attack while she was at a spiritual event in Jamaica, then the flight home and telling her 9- and 12-year-old children.
  3. Autopsy findings showed an enlarged, failing heart and stage two to almost stage three CTE, which Kelsey finds some gratitude in but her children do not.
  4. She describes the brutal first years of grief, including her children's suicidal feelings and how they differ from adults in processing loss, and says she can now grieve and feel happiness at the same time.
  5. Psilocybin, MDMA, meditation and radical acceptance became her tools for healing, and she describes a first psilocybin journey in which she processed trauma and felt contact with Nate.

IDEAS WORTH REMEMBERING

5 ideas

Football brought both joy and a heavy cost

Kelsey says the sport unifies communities and gives players opportunities, yet most players last about three years, and she cites a figure that roughly 70% end up broke and divorced. She says she is conflicted about it and would not let her own kid play.

Hindsight changed how she saw Nate's decline

Nate's forgetfulness, sadness, and a rare snap over the internet fit the CTE symptoms she was later given. She says she was harsh with him, did not know how sick he was, and wishes she had been kinder.

Children grieve differently from adults

Kelsey says her kids covered their ears when pushed to talk about the day Nate died, and her daughter did not want to draw it. She believes kids live in the present, do not like seeing a parent sobbing, and cope best in a joyful home where the loss can be talked about when they want.

Grief and gratitude can coexist

Kelsey rejects a stages-of-grief model, saying she can miss Nate terribly and be happier than ever. She also contrasts her own view with her mother-in-law's belief that she will grieve forever.

Psychedelics helped her move toward pain rather than numb it

Kelsey says Xanax and Ambien made her feel far from everything, while a guided psilocybin journey let her relive the flight home with support and release long-buried anger at Nate. Peter adds that these molecules are not magic on their own and work best alongside traditional therapy.

WORDS WORTH SAVING

5 quotes

The resistance to that and the wishing it was different is what kills you. So a lot of people say, "How are you doing so well?" And I say, "Because I don't wish it was different." That's pretty much it.

— Kelsey Chittick

We kind of, from that point on, fought for joy while acknowledging excruciating pain, and doing it at the same time.

— Kelsey Chittick

I miss Nate terribly, and I am so happy. I don't know what to tell you. I'm happier than I've ever been in my life, and I've been through the worst thing ever.

— Kelsey Chittick

I think humans are, are built to last. We're meant to... We're, we're built to make it through things.

— Kelsey Chittick

The human experience is one of loss.

— Peter Attia

Nate's NFL career and post-football transitionPremonitions and Nate's sudden deathTelling and supporting grieving childrenCTE autopsy findings and football conflictPhysical pain and stages of griefPsychedelic-assisted healingMeditation and radical acceptance

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