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My First MillionBrainstorming +$1M Business Ideas With Soylent's Co-Founder | ft. John Coogan (#496)
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WHAT IT’S REALLY ABOUT
Soylent co-founder brainstorms contrarian businesses: creator VPNs, ammo rollups, AI
- John Coogan recounts Soylent’s origin in a hacker-house environment, where minimizing living costs led to an experiment in replacing meals with powders and then turning that experiment into a company.
- He explains Soylent’s viral dynamics, including how its name and controversy created constant engagement that helped propel it through increasingly mainstream media coverage.
- He describes a lesson from pitching Peter Thiel: despite product-market fit, Soylent lacked inherent moats like network effects, and venture capital pressure later contributed to an outcome he views as disappointing relative to hype and peak revenue.
- He outlines several business ideas, including a creator-owned VPN that leverages creator distribution and global recurring revenue, and a contrarian ammunition manufacturing roll-up focused on operational efficiency.
- He argues that AI “wrappers” can be great businesses and proposes a viral “Lensa for ChatGPT” personality/astrology product that exploits the Barnum effect for personalized-feeling outputs.
IDEAS WORTH REMEMBERING
5 ideasSoylent started as a cost-cutting hack that turned into a viral product story.
He describes early hacker-house life, repeated failed projects, and how they realized food was the only major expense left—prompting Rob to experiment with a powder-based meal replacement.
Soylent’s growth benefited heavily from built-in virality and cultural controversy.
He says the name and the “30 days only on Soylent” stress test sparked curiosity and debate that fueled comments, shares, and a ladder of press coverage from niche outlets to major media.
Mismatching a company’s moat profile with venture expectations can create destructive pressure.
He recounts Peter Thiel framing Soylent as a “widgets business” without automatic network effects, arguing it should be run with straightforward selling/marketing economics; later they raised substantial venture capital anyway, which he calls a “disaster.”
A creator-owned VPN could convert creator distribution into high-margin, international recurring revenue.
He argues VPNs are a massive, marketing-driven category with no obvious runaway venture winner, and proposes a creator-owned VPN (he nicknames “Beast VPN”) because creators can provide distribution and VPNs monetize globally with recurring revenue.
Social and reputational aversion can create “alpha” in unfashionable industries.
He suggests an ammunition manufacturing roll-up could be contrarian because many buyers avoid the space, potentially creating opportunity for operators willing to do “boring” optimization rather than reinvention.
WORDS WORTH SAVING
5 quotesI've been telling every, every founder I know, like, cancel culture is over. Like, don't worry about things.
— Unattributed
He, he was basically like, "This is a great lifestyle business, guys. Congrats." And, and then we raised a bunch of venture, and it was a disaster.
— Unattributed
I believe that humans have a duty to each other to go and have the largest impact possible.
— Unattributed
My goal is very simple. You said, like, if you wanna have maximum impact on the world. That is not my goal.
— Shaan Puri
Dude, I think about 9/11 and World War II like 90% of my day.
— Sam Parr
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SPEAKERS
Shaan Puri
hostCo-host of My First Million and entrepreneur (built Milk Road).
Sam Parr
hostCo-host of My First Million and founder of The Hustle.
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