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How to Tell If Fear Is Protecting You or Holding You Back | Extreme Athlete Nelly Attar

We tell ourselves the reason we never chase the big dream is that we're not ready, not brave enough, doomed to fail. Nelly Attar would tell you she felt all of that too… but she chased them anyway. Nelly is a psychologist turned extreme athlete and mountaineer. She built Saudi Arabia's first dance studio, MOVE, at a time when women couldn't train publicly by sneaking classes into a warehouse and office building after hours. She's the first Lebanese person to climb the five highest peaks in the world, like Everest. And she also became the first Arab to summit K2, the world’s second highest peak that’s so dangerous that one in four people who attempt it survive. But what makes Nelly remarkable aren’t the summits and heights she reaches. It's that she's found a way to turn individual acts of accomplishment into acts of service: for the women she shows what's possible and for the team that climbs beside her. In this episode you'll learn: ➡️ The difference between fear that protects you and fear that holds you back ➡️ How preparing and working hard can lighten the load for others ➡️ What small, daily kindness practices become the best investment you can make ➡️ Why there's no such thing as "self-made" and what actually de-risks courage ➡️ The art of “strategic retreat” + why quitting and retreating aren't the same thing ➡️ Why your title and achievements aren’t your identity (and what is) ➡️ How movement is medicine, and why the mind leads the body ➡️ What it really means to live a life of service to the people right in front of you In this conversation, Nelly shows that the size of what you accomplish matters far less than the spirit you bring to it. She faces her fear for herself, but she does the hard work for everyone else. This… is _A Bit of Optimism._ + + + Want to keep up with Nelly’s adventures? Check out: https://www.nellyattar.com/ + + + Chapters 00:00:00 If You Don't Try, You'll Never Know 00:02:20 Building Saudi Arabia's First Dance Studio 00:05:26 Dancing Around the Norms: The Real Risk Behind MOVE 00:07:45 Why It Was Worth the Risk: Purpose Over Fear 00:12:36 The Power of Support: No Such Thing as Self-Made 00:14:11 From Dance Studio to Everest: Training in the Desert for a Sub-Zero Peaks 00:20:48 Climbing for Others: Making the Sherpa's Job Easier 00:25:14 The Practice of Kindness: Being of Service to People 00:36:47 K2: Climbing Through Grief After Losing Her Father 00:39:24 One in Four Don't Come Back: The Reality of K2 00:41:00 Retreat vs. Giving Up: Knowing When to Turn Around 00:45:44 Creating Safe Spaces for Others to Discover Their Boundaries 00:48:39 Fear That Protects vs Fear That Holds You Back 00:49:36 Movement Is Medicine: Designed to Move + + + Simon is an unshakable optimist. He believes in a bright future and our ability to build it together. Described as “a visionary thinker with a rare intellect,” Simon has devoted his professional life to help advance a vision of the world that does not yet exist; a world in which the vast majority of people wake up every single morning inspired, feel safe wherever they are and end the day fulfilled by the work that they do. Simon is the author of multiple best-selling books including _Start With Why,_ _Leaders Eat Last,_ _Together is Better,_ and _The Infinite Game._ + + + Website:http://simonsinek.com/ Leaderful: https://simonsinek.com/leaderful Podcast:http://apple.co/simonsinek Instagram:https://instagram.com/simonsinek/ Linkedin:https://linkedin.com/in/simonsinek/ Twitter:https://twitter.com/simonsinek Facebook:https://www.facebook.com/simonsinek + + + #SimonSinek

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Jun 30, 202651mWatch on YouTube ↗

At a glance

WHAT IT’S REALLY ABOUT

Nelly Attar on courage, service, and discerning fear’s true message

  1. Attar recounts founding MOVE, Saudi Arabia’s first dance studio, by taking incremental, culturally respectful risks and building an underground community that later aligned with national reforms.
  2. She argues that purpose grows from trying small steps, seeing real impact on others, and then letting that impact outweigh embarrassment, uncertainty, or social pressure.
  3. In extreme mountaineering, she frames preparation as an ethical duty to reduce burden and danger for guides and Sherpas, and she connects climbing to environmental and human stewardship.
  4. She distinguishes “protective” fear (credible threat to life/safety) from “limiting” fear (discomfort, ego, and embarrassment), advocating action with appropriate caution rather than avoidance.
  5. Attar describes grief after her father’s death as a catalyst for climbing K2, using the concept of “retreat vs. giving up” to preserve long-term goals and life continuity.

IDEAS WORTH REMEMBERING

5 ideas

Start with small experiments to build courage and clarity.

Attar didn’t “calculate” a master plan; she taught an imperfect first class, learned from mistakes, and let each workable step open the next, reducing fear through action and feedback.

Purpose becomes durable when it’s tied to real people, not abstract applause.

Her motivation deepened when she saw how women felt after class and later when she focused on helping teammates, porters, and Sherpas—service to those she actually meets, not an imagined audience.

Support systems de-risk bold decisions more than confidence does.

She credits family and community as an emotional buffer that made risk survivable—reinforcing Sinek’s point that “self-made” success is largely a myth.

In high-risk pursuits, preparation is an ethical responsibility.

Attar frames training and competence not as personal glory but as reducing danger and workload for others on the mountain; being underprepared externalizes your risk onto the team.

“Retreat” is a strategic tool, not a character flaw.

Whether turning back on Annapurna or closing MOVE during COVID, she treats retreat as preserving energy, health, and future attempts—“advancing in the opposite direction” to keep the long game alive.

WORDS WORTH SAVING

5 quotes

If you don't try, you'll never know, and I think that if I don't try, that would kill me.

— Nelly Attar

I don't wanna look back one day and say, "I wish, I wish I tried."

— Nelly Attar

Nelly, only those who risk going far can find out how far they can go.

— Nelly Attar

I think there comes a point where retreat will save you so much more in the future. And it's not giving up. It's knowing when to retreat and to say, "Okay, this is done. This chapter is closed."

— Nelly Attar

Movement is medicine. We are designed to move.

— Nelly Attar

Creating MOVE under restrictive normsPurpose as impact and serviceCommunity support vs. “self-made” mythTraining for Everest from desert conditionsEthics of guiding/Sherpa labor and preparationK2, grief, and meaning-makingRetreat vs. quitting; infinite mindsetFear that protects vs. fear that limitsMovement as medicine; mind–body unity

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