America’s Credit Rating Dropped and You’re Going to Pay for It | Pivot

Kara Swisher and Scott Galloway discuss former President Joe Biden's cancer diagnosis, and the reactions across the political spectrum. Then, Moody's downgrades the U.S. credit rating, and Republicans try to pass Trump's "Big Beautiful Bill." Plus, Walmart and Apple face Trump's bully tactics, Meta delays its new AI model, and Novo Nordisk's CEO is out amid rising competition in the weight loss drug market. Timestamps: 00:00 Intro 6:52 Biden’s Cancer Diagnosis 16:27 U.S. Credit Rating Downgrade 24:08 Trump Bullies Walmart and Apple 30:24 Meta Delays AI Model 37:18 Novo Nordisk CEO Pushed Out 44:27 Wins and Fails #pivot #podcast #karaswisher #scottgalloway #joebiden #biden #cancer #credit #moody #creditscore #trump #donaldtrump #walmart #apple #meta #ai #novonordisk #ozempic Producers: Lara Naaman Zoë Marcus Taylor Griffin Kevin Oliver Audio Engineer: Ernie Indradat Vox Media's Executive Producer of Podcasts: Nishat Kurwa Subscribe to Pivot on Apple Podcasts: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/pivot/id1073226719 Subscribe to Pivot on Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/4MU3RFGELZxPT9XHVwTNPR Follow us on Instagram and Threads at: https://www.instagram.com/pivotpodcastofficial Follow us on TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@PIVOTPODCAST Send us your questions by calling us at 855-51-PIVOT, or at https://podcasts.voxmedia.com/show/pivot

Scott GallowayhostKara SwisherhostDonald TrumpguestBarry Dillerguest

May 20, 202555mWatch on YouTube ↗

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Released: May 20, 2025
Duration: 55m
Channel: Pivot
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EPISODE DESCRIPTION

Kara Swisher and Scott Galloway discuss former President Joe Biden's cancer diagnosis, and the reactions across the political spectrum. Then, Moody's downgrades the U.S. credit rating, and Republicans try to pass Trump's "Big Beautiful Bill." Plus, Walmart and Apple face Trump's bully tactics, Meta delays its new AI model, and Novo Nordisk's CEO is out amid rising competition in the weight loss drug market. Timestamps: 00:00 Intro 6:52 Biden’s Cancer Diagnosis 16:27 U.S. Credit Rating Downgrade 24:08 Trump Bullies Walmart and Apple 30:24 Meta Delays AI Model 37:18 Novo Nordisk CEO Pushed Out 44:27 Wins and Fails #pivot #podcast #karaswisher #scottgalloway #joebiden #biden #cancer #credit #moody #creditscore #trump #donaldtrump #walmart #apple #meta #ai #novonordisk #ozempic Producers: Lara Naaman Zoë Marcus Taylor Griffin Kevin Oliver Audio Engineer: Ernie Indradat Vox Media's Executive Producer of Podcasts: Nishat Kurwa Subscribe to Pivot on Apple Podcasts: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/pivot/id1073226719 Subscribe to Pivot on Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/4MU3RFGELZxPT9XHVwTNPR Follow us on Instagram and Threads at: https://www.instagram.com/pivotpodcastofficial Follow us on TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@PIVOTPODCAST Send us your questions by calling us at 855-51-PIVOT, or at https://podcasts.voxmedia.com/show/pivot

SPEAKERS

Scott Galloway
host
Kara Swisher
host
Donald Trump
guest
Barry Diller
guest

EPISODE SUMMARY

In this episode of Pivot, featuring Scott Galloway and Kara Swisher, America’s Credit Rating Dropped and You’re Going to Pay for It | Pivot explores america’s Credit Downgrade, Aging Leaders, Tariffs, AI Scams, and GLP-1 Shocks Kara Swisher and Scott Galloway start with media chatter about a New York Times profile of Kara and their renewed multi‑year deal with Vox, then quickly pivot into Biden’s late‑stage cancer diagnosis and what it reveals about aging leadership and the need for age limits in U.S. politics. They dissect Moody’s downgrade of America’s credit rating, arguing it will quietly raise costs for every borrower while enabling a historic wealth transfer from younger, poorer Americans to older, wealthier ones through Trump’s tax package. The conversation moves to Trump’s tariff bullying of Walmart and Apple, Meta’s AI delays and fraud-filled ad platform, and Microsoft’s AI-driven layoffs. They close with pharma upheaval around GLP‑1 weight‑loss drugs, Weight Watchers’ bankruptcy, the societal stakes of obesity and vaccines, and a set of wins/fails centered on public health expertise and disinformation.

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